qwazse

Very Few Hats do any or all of the Above.. Hats very Simply help prevent body Warms loss during cold weather and not very efficiently Three words: Leather Outback Hat Got one from Cov-Ver 5 years ago. The crew almost made it their uniform ...

I've had all combinations. When the group is large (say, more than 12) and young (14-16) they tend to segregate by sex. That's how it worked when we started. Among the guys we have a class division, and the guys from the other side of the tracks tend to work better with the girls. The problem is they stink at getting their own girlfriends to join us. That makes it all out of balance and less attractive to the girls from this side of the tracks. These days it's a unique young lady who sticks with us. Right now, the women in my crew are all in different circles. The tightest knit group of them is scattered across the country in college. Looks like we're gonna be building from scratch.

So, we're telling the kids to move up the wedding date? If they tie the knot before the 1st day of summer camp, everything will be legit? Heck, have the wedding at camp! On one level, I find this quite satisfying. Especially if the reception is at the skeet range. It'll give new meaning to "shotgun wedding."

My council will cut me some slack with VLST. I think once they realized how many were on the roles without it, they didn't have much choice. YPT will probably be manageable. With this two year expiration, basically half the adults need it at any given rechartering. The only ones we catch before rechartering are those who happened to have been on a tour plan that bounced back. (Happened to me this year.)

Specifically, Acco, c45 can have a sit-down with his CC and say that the adults are in a "storming" stage and maybe slipping into "forming", and of they don't change their abrasive behavior quickly, it will be reforming -- maybe into two separate teams. In fact as long as he's freinds with everyone he should do his best to respect everyone while nudging them all to behave with a little more loyalty or courtesy. I've done the ASM gig for 10 years now (not counting that stint after high school a few decades ago). The first three, no problem. I could be everybody's buddy. Then someone handed me a crew advisor's patch and like Backroads hinted at, I became an "instant lightning rod" for the drama generators. It took folks a few years for the backbiters to realize that as far as the troop was concerned, I was there to assist the SM, and when it came to the crew's agenda, my chain would not be yanked unless you were willing to actually hike or camp or ski with us. Leave it that some people were slower leader's than others. Did this hurt the kids? Yes a little. They got the impression that some adults loved them a little less than they actually did. A darn shame really.

BD, obviously RT commish needs to have time (and a few $$) to spare. But pick two guys in the same stage of life and one of them is a good old boy, and the other is the servant leader your district needs. Assuming there was a choice of both, how does one tell one apart from the other?

SR540, and they remain stand-alone partners -- just as I suspect AHG will if we turn co-ed. OGE, I agree that once they buy in to the program, the female venturing officers are a pleasure to work with. I'm talking about how young women looking at it from the outside ... it's much like what BD describes.

Jr. High girls ! But I have to say that one thing that limits my church chartering BSA as a youth group model is its co-Ed model only accommodates Sr. Highs. That and the youth-led model sounds very intimidating to Sr. High women. I doubt that our big tent wil absorb AHG any sooner than it will the Baptist Men: http://scout-wire.org/2012/10/25/bsa-american-baptist-men-team-up-to-spread-scouting-programs/

CP: a rose by any other name ... At some point, a decision has to be approved. Everybody has to be able to reference it and communicate it. For example what do you communicate the boys about to cross over? The parents might ask "is it smokeys, pith helmets, or berets?" The answer you don't want to have is "well, this term's SPL was barets, no clue what next term's will be!" (Unless, of course, the boys really want to change style every six months, set a budget for it, and have the design process as part of their activities.) Moreover, this isn't reviewing next month's hike plan. This is deciding how every youth in the unit is going to appear at every significant troop occasion. You don't just need PLC buy-in, you need the larger portion of the troop to be happy with the decision. If 95% percent of the boys think "SPL Irsapson is making us look like stupid 70's throwbacks," it's a real problem. If the boys are *all* positive about it, that's a different story. Time for Irsap to bury his fashion sense and post a link to pictures as soon as everyone's outfitted. Written or otherwise, it's a change in by-laws. Teach the boy to build consensus.

Well Chao, you got my prayers, cause some of this is will take a miracle. I lost track if you are COR, SM, or UC. Each will take on a different slice of what I'm about to write. Either way, this is how things usually pan out ... Has CC taken Woodbadge? Ask how his "Game of Life" went. Throwing down axes is not a viable long term strategy. Sometimes a person like this is a little more married to scouting than he should be. If he has a wife, you may want to very carefully talk to her about it. If the marriage is strong, she'll help you reign him in. If that's the center of the storm, step away before you're in over your head. Help them to think of the name of a counselor they both trust. Will any of those volunteers pull together to start their own unit? Sometimes the best way to peace is the "Paul and Barnabas" solution. Let the team take on different missions, maybe some of their "rage quit" isn't just about the CC and they need to learn the hard way that their attitudes also need adjusting. The down side is you wind up dividing boys just so adults can learn "no matter where you go, there you are." Teach your unit leader this phrase: "I'm not about to be bothered by the burrs up someone else's butt -- especially yours." It's to be used sparingly, but everyone should know it was said. SMs and Advisors who get bogged down in this interpersonal muck will miss out on the needs of the youth. Respect whoever is doing work. Pretend to listen to whoever is blowing smoke. Finally, if any of this is disagreement in following something spelled out in Guide to Safe Scouting, follow the G2SS.

Wore them as a youth. Never had a problem. But, your son needs to understand that changes in uniform by-laws require a good bit of consensus building. Every bright idea has a cost, and if too many people think it too high for little value, they may undermine his objective. Early discouragements make getting up and taking the lead that much harder.

You do realize that some venturer's get put down by scouts because they don't even know the oath or law? Not every crew has felt comfortable being distinctive in every possible way. Going without those touchstones may have been fine for your crew, but our crew will probably benefit from them. My kids had no opinion on the matter. I suggested our VOA send national their opinion on the matter, but they had none. Most youth just don't seem to be getting out of shape about this sort of thing. Of course, we have no mechanism for referendum, so we'll neve really know ...

Emb, I didn't mean to imply an "anything goes" mentality with the official forest green shirt, so thanks for the clarification. That said, I'd applaud a crew who opted to swap out the unstamped buttons on the new model of that shirt for ones with the BSA logo! So, now we should add a uniforming category to the "age appropriate activities" chart, with the MB sash row having a bar running from 11 to 18?

If it's any consolation, the cubs have to change oath and sign too. http://scout-wire.org/2012/10/25/one-oath-and-law-approved-for-all-bsa-programs/ Opinions on this were all over the map: http://scout-wire.org/2012/08/02/one-oath-and-law--for-all-bsa-programs/ Venturing awards aren't changing anytime soon. Boy scout advancement requirements are under review. It's part of their strategic plans which may be found here: http://www.scouting.org/filestore/stragegicplan/pdf/Strategic_Plan_Progress_Report.pdf

Each year we lean on the SM to put together a "capital spending plan" of sorts. Boils down to "how much do you need to spend on equipment". Treasurer is responsible for factoring in the costs of registration, awards, reserving camp sites, trailer registration/inspection, etc ... We also try to have a little margin for SM discretionary (camperships, boots for the unprepared, etc) ... All that is our "general fund goal". That get's filled first (usually by our spring spaghetti dinner). Then, any remaining profit (i.e. revenue minus cost of the fundraiser) is allocated to the boy's scout accounts according to their participation. That usually boils down to a commission (usually about 1/4 the ticket price) on individual sales + a share per shift worked at the dinner. We do not calculate the value of a share until we've accounted for expenses, allocation to the general fund, and commissions. If you've already promised the boys a percentage of popcorn sales will be allocated to their scout accounts, you're stuck for now. (That Trustworthy thing again.) So, in your case, I would talk to the treasurer to be sure you have your numbers right. Fess up to your boys that because of deficit spending, each scout account is currently about 1/3 it's face value. Ask them if they can hold off on drawing from their scout accounts until things are square. (You bet this will make some parent's angry. So you may want to delegate the announcement to the CC. ) Ask them if, on the next fundraiser, a larger slice can go to the troop general fund so that the treasurer will be able to honor everyone's individual request to draw on their accounts. Promise that in the future you will try have a more honest balance between how much troop spends collectively for its own good and how much the boys spend as individuals for the good of the troop. Get together with your SPL and QM and go over the troop gear to see if you can "run lean" for the next year. Oh, and it wouldn't hurt to have the SPL in on committee meetings to make sure you all keep that balance.

I don't think such churches will produce any astronauts, nor any cures for cancer. They've basically pulled themselves out of the gene pool for productive thought and instead decided to feel good about themselves. You're mistaken. I've met some quite competent creationists in some leading edge fields of science. They tend to be engineers. So the next respirator you need or the next time you stare out your airplane window, consider that at least a few of the parts were invented by young earth theorists. You really don't need to believe that this world has prattled on in this fashion for billions of years to be able to work with the laws it is subject to now. The problem as I see it is not one for fields of science but one for the churches. Folks who are confident in their faith because someone told them a contrarian world view supports it might not actually believe in the God of the natural world.

Think about it this way, the troop committee took it upon itself to spend $ that it had originally allocated to the stewardship of individual boys. So instead of spending it on dues, camp fees, boots, books, whatever ... you adults spent it on stuff y'all thought was more important. Meanwhile, you pretended to the boys that what they would spend to make their troop work was important. The sad part: if you had just asked the boys to pitch in a little each, they'd probably let you have the $2300. Now, if I were you, I'd ask the committee how much of those popcorn $ are going to guarantee the existing scout accounts how much to the troop general fund and how much to add to scout accounts. The other possibility is that that you all buy popcorn up front and collect money later. Still, it would be a good idea to make clear to the boys that their scout account $ are in play until the popcorn $ comes back in.

DS, I think 22 boys are in the appropriate age window for the trip.

Our secretary has seen me leave the office in full uniform on my way to the occasional meeting on the work end of town. They all know when I'm taking time off to haul kids into the back-country. Moreover, when Mazucca was SE here, he sent a letter to our chairman thanking him for allowing us the time off to volunteer as a scouter. My colleagues work with some really messed up kids. I haven't read all of their case histories (some go back to the '80s), but few of them involve direct abuse, and none of them involve a scout (or priest, for that matter). Long story short, there are so many ways that parents can jam up your mind, it's ridiculous. The BSA has a PR problem, it's our job to fix it in the long haul. That includes sticking to YPT guidelines and cranking out some kids who become thoughtful and caring adults.

It's more that the universe is the magic: it's so pervasive and frequent as to be taken for granted. Their ability to grasp it at this place and time is an act of grace by the creator. (The scientists I know use a singular reference, I suppose others may use plural. Haven't met one yet.) Moreover, they insist that their discoveries compelled them toward their creator. Not away.

Meyrl, many competent scientists proceed through their analyses under the assumption that the divine has granted a "window of stability" under which the laws of the universe may be within the grasp of the human mind. Why this is allowed, well that's a matter for theologians.

The pure naturalist would have you take the leap of of faith that, by producing an explanation that precludes divine intervention for the origin of all things, you should withhold credit to the divine for the origin of anything.(This message has been edited by Qwazse)

I don't see any rule stopping him from wearing his last rank held. Especially if he earned it as a venturer.

My first thought ... Treat him as any other boy who needs a place to have fun and not be a victim. Keep in mind that for every parent who would tell you such a thing, there may be another who would never give you the heads up. So confidentiality is important. With that in mind, when it comes time to discuss abuse (e.g., your pack might show the movie "A time to tell.") You'll want to give mom the heads up. It might rub salt into the wound, and the lad might be better off not being there. If anyone asks why he's absent your best reply is probably "They had a good reason, don't recall what it was at the moment." As far as program, you might want to be a stickler for YPT guidelines. Still be polite and everything, don't refer to this case, but remind parents regularly about one point or another and how accountability is an important part of the program.

GO: Our participation is 90% ... two troop meetings a month So, if we were to take averages to compare apples to oranges, your troop's weekly attendance is around 45%! Ken, I hope that makes you feel a little better! GO's program sounds a little bit more like a venturing crew with enough adult management to include jr. high boys. Not what I want for my kid (church youth group already does that), but whatever. Call me a throwback brainwashed by all those old GBB articles in Boy's Life. He does make a good point, however. Sometimes we set very high goals and are upset that we don't meet them. A 20% achievement in your very ambitious goal may be similar to an 80% achievement of my modest goal.