nolesrule

As a commissioner, reading about the issues that other units have, as well as what worked and/or didn't, has helped me guide the units I serve through similar issues that I hadn't previously come across in my scouting experiences. This place is a little like the open discussion portion of our monthly commissioner meeting, where any unit-serving commissioner can bring up issues that units are having and we bounce around some ideas on how to help the commissioner guide those units to improve the situation.

Time to tear up your membership card! Really, those are three modifications I wouldn't have any issue with. It could be argued that you are just repairing defects in the uniform.

He said that the scout had 24 hours of work on the project but was told he needed 30. The project itself is complete. It was a landscaping project. How else is he supposed to get the additional 6 hours, assuming the logs are accurate? He shouldn't have to start over. That's why I suggested, more as a joke, to do 6 hours of watering. He can put it down in his log as additional work to ensure the long-term viability of his project. In reality, he shouldn't be having to do any additional work. Part of the leadership is gathering the workforce and making sure project execution takes place. If he gathers 25 people for a period of 4 hours (100 man hours), he only gets personal credit for 4 hours. If he gathers 12 people for 8 hours (96 man hours), he gets personal credit for 8 hours. Same amount of execution, but half the personal hours. The reality of the situation is the scout gets punished for efficient recruiting and execution, but that should be an indication of GOOD leadership.(This message has been edited by nolesrule)

These make or break arbitrary rules need to be made known BEFORE the project is even started. Since it's new landscaping, just have the scout spend 6 hours watering the new plants and add it to his time. That's how you fudge numbers. Also make sure that any phone call, any face-to-face, including travel time, is included in the time log.

Agreed with skeptic. Wear them on the knot, except on occasions where you would wear the Eagle medal.

We'd have to listen to vapid political pronouncements by literary types.

What would be the point of calling it an immediate recognition item if it can't be awarded till after Bobcat is earned? The requirements for the Tiger Paw are a subset of the requirements for Bobcat.

Pepsi has not and never will be coke or Coke. It's just not good enough. Besides, coke (with a little "c") means: a) the solid product resulting from the destructive distillation of coal in an oven or closed chamber or by imperfect combustion, consisting principally of carbon: used chiefly as a fuel in metallurgy to reduce metallic oxides to metals. b) cocaine Coke (with a big "C") is a registered trademark of the Coca-Cola Company. I never understood "pop". "Soda" on the other hand, referred to soda water, or carbonated water, and most carbonated beverages are nothing more than flavored carbonated water.

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With a title of "Silver linings" in the Uniforms forum, I was expecting to read that someone had finally discovered the source of the high uniform prices... although a gold lining would have been more preferred.

" Though I reckon it is fudging a bit not having to plan or cook for anyone else." Beavah, I hope the smiley meant you were joking, because that's not what I said. As for learning, there's plenty of nutritious, well-balanced meals that are easy to learn. You gotta start somewhere. I wouldn't expect foie gras, caviar platter, vichyssoise, cooked-to-order filet mignon, baked potato, Caesar salad with cherries jubilee for dessert as a planned meal for a First Class patrol cook requirement... though I wouldn't say "no" if offered assuming it was in the budget.

Beavah, you misunderstood what I wrote. The Patrol Cook is in charge of the patrol meals for the campout, but that does not preclude any other members of the patrol from also planning and cooking his own single meal on a fire individually during the same campout. Unless you are suggesting that just because one or two members of the patrol plans and cooks his own breakfast or lunch, then the patrol cook for the weekend would not get credit because he didn't cook all the meals for every member of the patrol. Even if that's what you are suggesting, well, I just re-read the First Class requirement in more detail. It only requires being responsible for one breakfast, one lunch and one dinner. So that still could leave one breakfast that every member of the patrol could do on their own (assuming a 2-breakfast trip) without overlapping with the patrol cook duties. So it would still take 8 trips for every member to do the First Class requirement, but the Second Class requirement could be done in a single weekend, a single meal even, rather than the 2-4 I said before. I really wasn't intending to argue specific requirements. I stand by my original thought that a well-planned program should be able to make available all T-2-1 requirement opportunities within a 12-month period. It's up to the troops to make the plan, but it's also up to the scouts whether or not they want to take advantage of ALL the opportunities.

"Let's take da cooking bit. You've got around 8 boys in a patrol, you run maybe 10 weekend outings a year. Each boy has to plan and serve as his patrol's cook for a full campout, AND each boy has to plan and cook a breakfast or lunch in addition. Seems like that takes 16 campouts, assumin' the attendance works out perfectly. " The Second Class cooking requirement can be done on a campout concurrently with someone else serving as patrol cook for the First Class requirement, as the 2nd Class requirement only requires you cook one breakfast/lunch for yourself with 2 (maybe 3) cooking opportunities per campout. So the 2nd class requirement could be knocked out for a patrol of 8 in 4 campouts at most (and could even be reasonably done in 2) while the 1st class patrol cook requirement would need 8 campouts.

Congratulations!

Under the same advancement system as Eagle92 (Skill Awards, time requirements, First Aid MB), it took me just under a year (I don't have the exact dates, so somewhere in the 50 week range) to accomplish it. Of all the scouts that crossed over with me from our pack (about 7 or 8), only 2 of us were presented the "First Class in a year" certificate. Looking over the current requirements, I don't see why it couldn't be done in a year unless a) the scout lacks in motivation or participation, or b) the unit isn't providing the outings or settings that would enable the Scouts to complete the requirements. No classroom scouts needed. I think the goal is to provide scouts with the opportunity within the first year, not to ram them through the advancement process.

On my ODL sleeve (ca. 1992 issue), the arrowhead spilled onto the sleeve cuff. I had the CSP, UC, Trained strip and arrowhead all touching. The only CSP I wear is the regular one, and you Florida guys have probably seen the WCFC CSP. It's a standard size.

Not a chance. I live in Florida.

Thanks guys. With 2 daughters now, I expect I'll be remaining a commissioner until my daughters are old enough for a crew. Not sure if we'll try for a third child. Depends on how the Mrs. and I feel a year from now. My brother's wife is on the clock now. She's due today. And my sister had a boy at the beginning of September. My parents are having a 300% increase in grandkids in a 5 week period. Tokala, I still plan on attending your WB course next spring. I sent in my deposit last month.

Lisabob, you're right. Serves me right for relying on the requirement quote earlier in the thread which was missing the age portion. Besides, I'm suffering from lack of sleep. Daughter #2 was born Wednesday.

" They are eligible to cross over in April of their 4th grade year (assuming all AOL requirements are met)" As has been pointed out in this thread, you can't meet all of the AOL requirements while in the 4th grade.

Be glad that you are ona forum that uses pie, rather than images of "LOL catz".

Heck, on my ODL uniform there wouldn't have been enough room for both (yeah, my sleeves were that short, but then so am I).

I think the 6 part of the 100 that were there to watch, not the 22 called out. Besides, she mentioned earlier in the post that there were 4 called out plus the SM. But then, you were asking a question about a 4 year old post anyway.

Why would you have troop numbers on a Unit Commissioner uniform? It's a district position. The Arrowhead Honor patch goes in the same spot as the unit numbers go on the centennial uniform.

Some school systems let you start kindergarten at age 4 as long as you turn 5 by a certain cutoff point. When I started school the cutoff I think was Dec 1. as myself and a couple others turned 5 in November of our K year. I didn't turn 10.5 until about a month before I completed the 5th grade. These days, I believe our local school system has moved the cutoff to Sept. 1. Anyway, I think Lisa's point was that it is possible to hit the 6 months since completing 4th grade around November while still not turning 10 until December.