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  1. Howdy All, Long time, no type. Our lodge is merging with another later this year and we're in the process of drafting a special closing ceremony. We're looking for ideas or scripts from similar ceremonies. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! WWW Chewli Sukachsin
  2. Since they're alternate spellings for each other I'd guess it's due to the preference of the author. What I'm wondering about is why one lodge in PA apparently requires candidates to be at least 13. Oh well I guess they kind of make up for it by only requiring 14 nights of camping instead of 15.
  3. I said the "need" for sheath knives would be an item to address. As for no prohibition against sheath knives, well that depends where you are. They are specifically prohibited at the half-dozen different BSA summer camps I've attended, and they wouldn't be permitted on school property. Even the Guide to Safe Scouting says: "Avoid large sheath knives . . ." Granted the discussion there concerns the use of them in a camping environment. Kahits, just "know" before you "go" to avoid any problems.
  4. Just another datapoint and to piggyback on what BrotherhoodWWW said, the latest update to the OA Field Operations Guide says "The Boy Scouts of America policy regarding weapons will be followed." See http://www.oa-bsa.org/resources/pubs/FOG-2008.pdf Note: the cited quotation deals specifically with the various competitions at Conclave/NOAC, but the G2SS quote would apply everywhere. That appears to cover the issue of firearms, the other item to address is the need for sheath knives.
  5. Interesting. On one hand, it could help bust the "good ol' boy/gal" rings that the new course rules were supposed to eliminate (it didn't in my council). Although it may also give them control of NYLT (scoutldr's concern). They essentially already do so in my council so no change there for Moi. On the other hand it really seems to dilute the meaning of the 3rd bead. At the moment I'd have to agree with dan and lean toward a separate recognition; however, I don't thing I'd prefer to see it on the thong.
  6. Tindeuchen, Depending on your exact location in NW Ohio, you may be in the traditional lands of the Miami Indians. The nearest group of Miami to you would be in Indiana (http://www.miamiindians.org/), although the federally recognized Miami Nation is located in Oklahoma (http://www.miamination.com/). As ASM915 mentioned, the Eiteljorg Museum may be an excellent source for you. They have a gallery titled Mihtohseenionki (Miami for The Peoples Place). If you cant visit they do have some on-line materials at http://www.eiteljorg.org/ejm_Education/JustForTeachers/details.asp?id=116.
  7. scoutmom2, Assistant Scoutmasters (nor the SM for that matter) are members of the troop committee. If your committee needs proof have them review a copy of the Troop Committee Guidebook. In my copy, Chapter 4 outlines all the positions of the committee and does not include Scoutmasters -- assistant or otherwise. And for the record, Scoutmasters and assistants are not supposed to hold a committee position in addition to their other responsibilities. Hope this helps.
  8. Hops, Yeah, I wasn't looking to do a Joy vs Sunnen thing either. My point was that a lot of it comes down to perception and I wish more troops would articulate their likes and dislikes to the council camping committee. Of course if you're doing that and not getting satisfaction you have every right to vote with your feet. Also, I don't think you can define a unit's support of the council by any one activity. You really have to look at it from a wider perspective and understand that there isn't really a one-size-fits-all way to define it. Each unit may be providing a lot of suppor
  9. All, Here's a link to 500 additional photos from the jamboree: http://www.tsa.thirdlight.com/libraryhome.tlx Once the page opens, follow the link at the bottom for "Latest pictures . . . " kb6jra I sent you a PM. I spotted a Venture Crew member who is definitely from the Western Region. If you download the photo and zoom in you can read their name tag.(This message has been edited by ManyIrons)
  10. You're welcome kb6jra. Ditto on "wish I were there". It was only 4K from Illinois, but 8K total was waaaaay too rich for my blood. That and having all the adult slots full made it an easy decision for me We haven't heard from our Scout and probably won't. I told him he spent too much money to be wasting time on line for a phone or email. Mrs. ManyIrons feels differently but also wants him to get maximum fun out of this. Ditto also on the lack of photo evidence of his attendance over there. The odds are obviously against us, but I swear every photo we have of him since he w
  11. Hops, Long Time - No Type. Since we're in the same council I feel a need to chime in here. First let me say that I support any troops right to attend whatever summer camp they choose. However, I dont think youve been completely fair in your observations of Camp Joy. A couple of points: 1. How was the option to attend an out of council camp presented? I only ask because a former Scoutmaster of our troop used to give the Scouts a choice between A or B and then touted it as the Scouts choice. Im not saying anything sinister happened in your troop, just asking how you arrived at y
  12. Ditto kb6jra!! My son is also at the jamboree. According to the website (http://eng.thejamboree.org/) his sub-camp (Atoll) led the procession into the arena this morning for the sunrise ceremony. We haven't heard from him directly, but we're following it via troop emails and internet photos. It must be totally overwhelming, but I'm sure they are having the time of their lives. Can't wait to hear all about it!! Here are a few links to some photos: http://www.bsawsj2007.org/ http://picasaweb.google.com/temcdonough
  13. I was very surprised also, but my first thought was that someone has taken advantage of Terry -- either by deception or by hack. I can't imagine any scenario where Terry would knowingly accept this type of advertisement.
  14. There's was one at the top of this page when I checked the thread -- I won't mention the address in case it's random. OGE, I'm sending you the info via PM.
  15. emb021, I didnt say a program unique to each camp I said tailored. I can only speculate on why the Mic-O-Say template is used so often -- and that would be due to their demonstrated ability to bring campers back to summer camp, particularly the older Scouts.
  16. emb021, Its unfortunate that your exposure to non-OA groups (exactly how many have you approached?) were negative. My experience with the Tribe of Mannaseh was exactly the opposite. As a non-member I asked many questions and all were answered to my satisfaction. This was done over a period of several months via face-to-face discussions or email with at least 5 different members. I'd take John-in-KC up on his offer if you're looking for information. My point about many troops not being boy-run was a tongue-in-cheek observation that if BSA were to become concerned about stamping ou
  17. Each camp is different, so it's not surprising that each camp would want a program tailored to them. The original purpose of any camp honor society was to entice Scouts to return to that camp each year. If the same program is available at multiple camps it defeats the purpose.
  18. First let me correct my original statement: "From my knowledge of Mic-O-Say and experience with Mannaseh . . .". I am not a member of Mic-O-Say, but I am an adult warrior in Mannaseh. As to the alleged "problems" "* they are secret groups". No more so than OA, which of course is not a secret group either. "* they are too adult-run ". That's a common criticism I've heard about both programs -- and a common observation of many troops. Neither of those observations are grounds for ending local honor groups.
  19. From my experience with Mic-O-Say and Mannaseh they'd compare very favorably with OA for "membership, leadership, and organization." Agree with the group -- too vague. "Wait and see" is a good position to take.
  20. Gee emb021, you make it sound so tawdry The Tribe of Mannaseh was formed by members of the Tribe of Mic-O-Say who are now part of the Okaw Valley council. There are many variants of Mic-O-Say. Here's a link: http://www.flyingember.com/mic.html In Friendship and Warmth, Many Irons
  21. "Scouting with the 'right boys' is easy, the others are the ones we are here for. Excellent point Red Feather. Here's a similar thought from an old Scoutmaster Handbook: "We Build on What We Find. It is upon what the boy brings to us, what he is and what he wants, that we must build what we hope him to be -- what he in his heart of hearts wants to be." The easy ones make me feel proud, the others make me feel even prouder. It's hard to understand what actually happened in this case, but it sure doesn't smell right.
  22. B.E., Here's a link with some valuable information for you: http://www.scouting.org/hr/index.html Best of luck. M.I.
  23. I checked my son's copy of the 10th edition, and it doesn't have a requirement to discuss when/when not to use lashings. The introductory text is virtually identical to the current edition -- along with the admonition about obtaining permission before building structures. The only mention I see of safety is a small text box labelled "Triangle Principle In Lashings" which advises the user to incorporate triangles into their designs to ensure the lashing projects are "safe and steady".
  24. In my copy of the handbook (11th ed., 5th printing) the answer is on the bottom of pg 137: "Obtain permission before building camp gadgets or other structures -- they are prohibited in many backcountry areas as a way of encouraging no-trace camping. Therefore, lashings should not be used in areas where they are not permitted (which probably qualifies this as a candidate for the "Vague but True" Hall of Fame). Don't feel bad, this one drove me to distraction for a while too.
  25. NWScouter, Wrong. Processing paperwork competently and on time is core requirement of the council. They were doing that decades before FOS and popcorn came into being. The argument that without the money from those programs there wouldnt be people to do those things is a glittering generality. In my council FOS and popcorn money comprises approx. 1/3 of the budget. Even with a complete collapse of that source of revenue, theres still plenty of money to get the paperwork processed. Certainly the loss of 1/3 of income would result in cutbacks but not to processing paper. I
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