kraut-60

You have referenced a "uniform policy" in the original post on this thread. What does this "policy" state and where is it to be found? What BSA publication are you sourcing this "policy" from? I consider myself to be a "uniform guy",ie; I wear my uniform to all scout activities and encourage my fellow scouters to do so as well so we may set a good example for scouts to follow. Some aspects of scouting outdoor activities dont benefit from wearing the field uniform (AKA Class A's). However, an acivity uniform (AKA Class B's) which normally comprise a Scout themed T-shirt and may inclu

Well, I can see that a part of the presentation will have to cover the "issue" of which is a CSP and what isnt may need to be included. I am very grateful for the feedback those members of this forum have posted regarding this thread, I thank you all and am tailoring my outline to reflect most of the views that were posted here, especially Lisa'Bobs regarding the target audience for this topic. I had hoped that having it flexible enough for the Scouts would be beneficial, but upon review, I see that having Scouters and parents as the focus will likely have the best long term result in tha

Interesting...Neckerchiefs in question. While attending the troops PLC last night I heard our Scouts views on neckerchiefs. What they expressed was they prefered to only wear them as a manditory wear item for Courts of Honor, inspections and parades. They further decided that any Scout in their troop can wear his neckerchief while in uniform if he wants to. They also expressed interest in adopting bolo ties, but will get more input from troop and patrol members before making policy on it. Oh...BrianBuf, you posed the question in another thread about a uniform a Scout would wear to sc

One word here...WOW! All the replies here are excellent, I am very impressed with several suggestions, especially the Top Ten type of list. I will take the T-10 and use it with the T-10 Shoulds and the T-10 Should nots. The "Jeopardy" game approach will be utilized as I feel a presentation with audience participation leaves more of an impression than a mere lecture tends to. I will continue to outline my presentation using the good feedback I have gotten here, thanks again to all replying! I would add that some of my top ten shouldnts are.... Scouters wearing a tempory patch

Gonzo1; great feedback! thanks again for some good ideas. Emb021; Also some very good points, I especially like the 10 current uniforms, but I'm not sure I could list all 10 but I'll give it a shot. 1.) Tiger Cubs Blue uniform w/Tiger specific cap,neckerchief,slide,belt buckle. 2.)Cub Scout-Wolf Blue uniform w/Wolf specific cap,neckerchief,slide,belt buckle. 3.)Cub Scout-Bear Blue uniform w/Bear specific cap,neckerchief,slide,belt buckle. 4.)Webelos Scout Tan/Olive uniform w/Webelos specific cap,neckerchief,slide,buckle 5.)Cub Scout leader Tan/Olive uniform (Male/Female). 6.)

Thanks for the reply Gonzo1. I am open for suggestions about how to best inform scouters and scouts about the uniform as it presently exists. I hope to be able to have a whole picture of how the uniform came into use in the BSA and how it fits into the program and why we wear it and hopefully to promote more scouters as well as scouts to take pride in their uniform and wear it properly.

Greetings everyone! I will be putting together a presentation regarding uniforms as a ticket item for Wood Badge. I hope to have it in a format that will be useful in Roundtable, Leader specific training as well as presenting it to packs/troops/teams or crews, so I will have to have it flexible to fit all areas of scouting. I dont want to present this in a lecture only style but hope to have interaction with the audience as well as a skit or two to keep the monotony nonexistent. I hope to use Powerpoint for parts of this as well as right/wrong examples. I would like to invite suggest

I will back up Kenks last note with regard to the Eureka timberline series tents, they are the best I've ever used. We are using the 4 man model tents and these tents date back to 1997 when we purchased 8 of them (we presently have 7 as one was stored wet and mildewed/molded very badly). These tents still have the original zippers still working and vestibules as well. Our troop only allows cots with the rounded legs and only at summer camp and limited to 2 scouts per tent. We also have a Eureka timberline 2 man/person tent that is a smaller version of the 4 man tent. We use this when

I have also just finished the 2nd weekend GNX Guy, and I will offer this. I am an Antelope and none of Troop 1's staff are Antelopes here, however before we dismissed from Gilwell, our SPL had us sing at Gilwell field before we were dismissed and the SM and SPL ran over to sing with us 'lopes as no other 'lopes were there, I thought it to be a very noble move and think the world of my SM and the SPL for doing it. Are you in C19-06?

As a leader, I believe I should set a positive example. In Nov. 2004, I signed up to go to Philmont in July 2006. At that time I weighed 267lbs. I am 5'10" and was wearing 42" waist pants and a 2xl shirt,...not exactly the example one would hope to be, but I had to start somewhere. By paying my fees for Philmont, I found out that a scouter MUST meet the height/weight guidelines or be DENIED to go on the trail and be sent home. I decided I was going on the trail no matter what. In Feb. 2005 I started a diet and exercise regimen that was heavy on hiking and bicycling. I denied myself A

I would add that uniforms are required for scouts and scouters. The Boy Scouts is a UNIFORMED youth movement. I believe that when you are outwardly identified as a scout/scouter, you will carry yourself in deeds and actions a lot more readily than in street clothes. I dont believe that the uniform is any more of an important method than the other 7, but I believe its the easiest method to achieve and maintain, and in my perspective is the the best place to start from in attaining and practicing the other methods. The answer in uniforms does NOT lie in changing the uniform to some fas

Merlyn, you dont disappoint. I could count on you to take up any cause, so long as its anti-BSA. If the BSA put a bucket of dung in the middle of the Gobi desert, you would probably go out of your way to get out there and kick it over! The previous statement is not condoned by the BSA and reflects only my (kraut-60) personal views regarding your anti-BSA rhetoric. Have a crappy day and a worse tomorrow Merlyn.

There were fleas, fleas, with kilts and hairy knees, in the store, in the store! There were fleas, fleas, with kilts and hairy knees, in the quartermasters store! Now gents, me mums fra' Glasgow...Govan ta be exact, an I was taught this song as a wee lad. Only one problem is that the more traditional verses are shall we say not scout appropriate! Theres Antelopes who joke, but dont drink or smoke, in the store, in the store! theres Antelopes who joke, but dont drink or smoke, in the quartermasters store! My eyes are dim, I cannae see, I 'ave not brought ma

I could see them adding merit badges in the subject areas of video gaming and game design. These are the two areas I see my own son the most involved in if the opportunity were there. I think the program has constantly underwent changes, more than a few MB's are no longer offered as they are no longer relevant or popular in todays society. However I caution you not to reinvent the wheel. In my days as a Scout, no one then a scout would wear his uniform to school, except as a 2nd or 3rd grader on picture day. No other school sports/band/etc groups have their members wear their uniform

Change Scouting to suit society's lack of direction and obsession with "cool"?Change or get rid of the traditional uniforming, emblems to increase numbers? Alter the programs to reflect that which is presently popular? Scrap the Scouts as they exist is what I am receiving from Brianbuf's post. Well, I will take exception to such ideas and suggest you run right out and form and establish a youth organization that will suit your ideas good sir, and good luck to you if you undertake such an endevour. I have no intention whatsoever to see "cool" become part of the Scout Law. I became too "cool" f

I was senior advisor to crew 731-F at Philmont this summer. Our crew was on itinerary #9 in the north country. We were sharing the trek with crew 731-I2 who were from Arcadia CA. The advisors names I can recall are Gordon,Pete and Bob. There was another adult advisor whose name I never did learn. Point of this post is to seek help in contacting Gordon or the other advisors as we have a group photo shot on our crews return at the welcome center and also because Gordon and I had talked about trading CSP's between ourselves. If anyone here recognizes the names I have listed here, pleas

Most of the replies so far are right on the money as to why Cubs are rarely seen in full uniform. One reason you wont see is the Cubs refusal to wear uniform pants because most Cubs will wear whatever uniform parts their parents provide them. I am a parent who also knows how fast a kid can outgrow something so I can sympathize with that line of reasoning. I do feel that a group of scouts in full uniform is worth what it costs to achieve as it builds esprit de corp. The suggestion to be the example is the easiest one and the least confrontational. Many parents and scouts will opt for

acco40; the pants were/are the same fabric as the current pants/shorts. The style is the one that has a non elastic waistband and the cargo pockets were placed on the pants upper thigh centered on the outer seam, I believe they were still availible in the mid 1990's until the current style came into use. I think you should wear the lodge flap you prefer as long as it was issued to identify the lodge you are a member of. Fuzzy Bear;why is mentioning or not mentioning the source of used uniforms relevant? And by signing "The UP" are you identifying yourself as such?

Wingnut; I like your answer, nowhere does it state how high a pair of pants should be hemmed. Please dont hijack the thread as a sniper session on the crux of what is the uniform police. We all are the uniform police,... I know I am, if I want to be. I wear my uniform correctly and constantly to all scouting events and meetings, to me that is being my version of "UP". Measuring the distance a patch is out of line should only be an issue when getting the photos ready for the new scout catalog, along with proper placement of patches of course. There is NO official uniform police,

I would suggest having the Troop committee take your councils Troop Committee Challenge. Our Troop recently had this training and it was great! The training is aimed towards newer scouters or those with a little fore knowledge of the ins and outs of being a scouter. The training is also a good benchmark reminder for older, seasoned scouters as it reiterates the duties each committee position has and clearly outlines the who, what, where and when the committe has to know to function effectively. You could almost say that Troop Committee Challenge might be called "Troop committee

I bought my son a pair of BSA shorts off e-bay a while back. They have the large pocket above the knee on the side and I figured they were simply the shorts version of the older pants that featured the large cargo pocket on the leg. Turns out that the shorts are really only pants that had the legs bobbed shorter. The good knews is that they are long enough to qualify as being sort cool in my sons description. Seems also that other scouts said they'd like some like his as the length is on par with the longer style shorts so popular today with teen age boys. I am going to look for

We have only 7 tents left out of 8 identical ones the troop bought in the late 90's. The tent that no longer is sucumbed to the Didntgetdriedoutous malady better known as "I forgot....", or moldier than an address in New Orleans. We have had good luck having scouts take home and dry tents, my peeve has been that the parts get shuffled around (we number every part and keep all together,..except stakes). I have also had the scouts bring the wet tents to my home as I have a 4 car plus garage. It looks like sail loft in there after a wet campout, but the tents get dry and then I have the

The troop I serve in has "zip-loc eggs", usually on the menu for Saturday morning when there is a lot of activities planned that would be infringed on by a long prep and clean-up time. We have one of the scouts fry up a pound or two of bacon on the Thursday before the event and crumble it up and seal it in a large zip-loc bag. This has the advantage of little to no prep in the field time and best of all, NO greasy dishes in the field to waste lots of time cleaning! I like the suggestions to knead the eggs to avoid the infamous "BF Goodrich" omlette. I have seen that even mo

Hi Tod, I wore the now no longer issued Blue and gold baseball cap when I was a Wolf and Bear den leader (1999-2002). When the den I served became Webelos, I purchased a red and khaki(green) BSA cap and wore that while in uniform. I no longer have the blue and gold cub cap or I would send it to you, but I dont think you'd do much harm by wearing the BSA ball cap if you choose to. The default uniform for all scouting programs adult leaders(except Venturing)is the tan and green uniform of which the red and khaki(green) cap is a part of. The scouts in the W1 den asked me why I chos

Thanks MV for your feedback, sorry I have been away for several days and only today seen your last post. Heres a quick tale on who the UP may be, sometimes they arent even scouts or scouters! When; Monday morning, Memorial day 8:45am Where;Outside the local American legion post Who; Local radio announcer, my son and myself My son was in full uniform and wearing his MB sash, however he chose to wear his short sleeve shirt that had his 1st class rank (he is a Star),and was being interviewed live on local radio. The interviewer noted "You have 9 MB's but you are only a 1st class scout?