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Some who have weighed in on this matter seem to have no sense of what a uniforms designed purpose is, so I will attempt to illustrate that here. An older,battered copy of the Websters dictionary defines "Uniform" as;1:having always the same form,manner,or degree:not varying or variable 2:of the same form with others:conforming to one rule or mode:consonant 3:presenting an undiversified appearance of surface,pattern or color 4: consistent in conduct or opinion. Uniform n: dress of a distinctive design or fashion worn by members of a particular group and serving as a means of identific

MVscouter, you are welcome, my pleasure to support your point of view in regards to correctly wearing a uniform. I intentionally left absent "BSA uniform" from the previous sentence to stress the matter that ANY uniform should be worn only one way(preferably) and that is correctly. Too often in the scouting movement today,the issue of uniforms is relegated to the back burner and mostly forgotten in light of other more pressing matters with regards to scoutings needs. The "its close enough" school of thought is rampant in scouting, especially in Cub Scouts where a Cub in a pai

Greetings all. The troop I serve in is able to come up with a BoR "on demand" and does pride itself in being able to do so under any circumstance. We have normally taken advantage of using our troop committee members as they tend to hang around during the weekly troop meeting. this works very well and has the beneficial side effect of drawing our committee member/parents into taking an active part in troop function. We have just this month taken in 4 new scouts who crossed over from Webelos, who having earned the Scout rank will be recognized at a CoH at the end of the month. Also,

Death to the uniform police....death?, isnt this a bit extreme of a perspective directed against those scouts and scouters who take pride in wearing the uniform correctly? "A Scout is Friendly....courteous....kind.." Ok, some scouts and scouters can be seen to be wearing incorrect or misplaced insignia. Some here feel thats no big deal, ok, you are free to have that perspective. But just the same, having a "who cares and what does it matter anyway" attitude towards what some scouts and scouters consider correct(ie, wearing the uniform properly),and then posting under such an un-scout

Yes, I own both the older green tie as well as a rarer tan tie. I normally reserve their wear for more formal events like CoH,B&G and cross-over ceremonies. I only wish that the current uniform shirts had the proper collar for wearing a tie. The older olive green uniform shirts are made for a tie, and look very sharp with it too I might add.

I find it perplexing that the city of SF has the negative feelings its purported to have now, you see, when I visited SF as a crewmember of both the USS Lynde McCormick and the USS New Orleans during the city's annual Fleet Week celebrations in the late 1980's and early 1990's, we were treated well by all we met. The ships crews were required to wear their uniforms while on liberty and there was no adverse feelings or hostility directed at the sailors that I can recall. In fact, the program to invite sailors out on the town or to a private home for dinner were very popular. I had hear

Like many here, I am also convinced that the city of SF has clouded its reasoning with its own special blend of politics along with a touch of 60's liberal ideology. As a retired US Navy boiler technician 1st class(BT1sw), I will atest to the enormous cost and labor intense effort just maintaining ANY decommissioned former Navy ship even in a static (non-functional) disply staus. Just ensuring the watertight integrity of the hull on a day to day basis is going to keep several people fully employed, and these folks will NOT be entry level security guard types. Also ma

Hello all, Great topic. In the troop I serve in as ASM we practice patrol cooking as a standard operating procedure for the troop on all outdoor camping trips, and especially for summer camp. In fact, the troop will only choose a summer camp if it offers the patrol cooking option. As such, we do not attend the same summer camp year after year, instead we cycle between 3-4 out of council camps that offer patrol cooking. The patrol method is reinforced by cooking as a patrol. At last summers camp we had only 8 boys including the SPL and ASPL. The SM,SPL,ASPL,and I sat down and had the the SPL/AS

I would suggest the 1949 release "Twelve O'clock High' starring Gregory Peck. This film was used by the United States Navy in it's LMET course. I believe LMET stood for "leadership management education training". This film showed several different and varied styles of leadership as part of it's story line. While attending this course, I viewed the film with others in the course and after seeing it we were broken down into small groups to evaluate the types of leadership skills we had seen in the film, and to discuss each styles pro's and con's. The film was also entertaining and would hold a b

A uniform is a uniform. I think this is the point many folk dont get. Any uniform whether,law enforcement,military,EMT,or Boy Scout is designed to be in a style unlike that of current clothing that are NOT designed as uniforms. What a shame that some folks simply dont handle the idea of uniforms very well. I agree with Fscout and BP on this one, and EV too. The uniform has never been or will be a hindrance to this movement, I see the real hindrance to be leaders who cannot or will not put aside vanity or a misplaced sense of fashion.

gsmom; When John Kerry met with represenatives of the North Vietnamese govrnment in 1970, was he then acting as a good and valiant man as you have described him here in this forum? I believe he was still at that time a reserve officer in the USN. My understanding of the Uniform Code of Military Justice would sum this up as a court martial offense, I dont readily recall which article such a crime would fall under, but most veterans who are aware of John Kerrys actions in this matter would likely define it as treason, as I define his despicable act of meeting with the Communist members of a cou

Rip and Owl, you guys are definitely heading in the right direction with your ideas on an outer-wear system. Rip; I like your idea to use an MA-1 style a lot as I have a very "experienced" MA-1, and in short, its one versatile jacket. The reversible color to international orange would be helpful in situations where visibility would be needed. One other thing an MA-1 style could used for is displaying patches, after all, the flight type outer-wear just seems to look "cool" with a couple extra patches on it, and by using velcro, the Scouts and Scouters could vary the patches they chose to wear.

Our troop recently attended the 11-16-04 NBA game between the Milwaukee Bucks and the New Orleans Hornets at the Bradley center in Milwaukee WI. This was also Scout night as many other Packs and Troops were in attendance and in uniform, as a courtesy, all attending units had there title and number as well as hometown listed on the jumbotron before the game. I felt it was a great time for the Scouts and the leaders. I suppose though that we could have witnessed an example of poor sportsmanship had it occurred that evening. Although poor sportsmanship seems more common these days among pro sport

Well, I'm sure if you have read any of my posts and don't agree with them, then perhaps I'd be considered A uniform "nazi". As to your question, why not use velcro for positon patches if you are serving in more than one office. I have seen nothing forbidding such an attachment system for Scout badges in general. And as fond of older uniforms and styles as I am, I would gladly welcome supply division offering velcro of a matching shade for the current issue uniforms. I feel such an attachment method would go far towards getting badges on uniforms and having the ability to correct mistaken place

I don't think there are any Cub packs out there that choose to as a Pack to not be uniform. What I can relate is my own experience as a DL and a WDL. The pack my son joined was no different than any other Cub pack I have seen since or before with regards to wearing the Cub uniform,i.e...if you have your shirt-ok,..neckerchief-good,..hat-wow you are happening,...pants? we dont require the boys to wear scout pants, jeans are just fine...yadda,yadda.... I decided I would wear a full uniform and try to set an example. Alas, my example only garnered the boys in the den I led to normally wear at lea

1986oschamp, you stated just previously you were taught to wear a FULL unifrom to Scout meetings, functions,etc... So tell me, how does a pair of similar styled but not UNIFORM pants from Wal-Mart qualify as part of a unifrom? Ok, they are similar appearing in style and color, great, whoopee even, but they are not uniform. When we as Scouters show the Scouts we serve that "good enough" or "its close enough" is our standard, then can we be dissappointed when they start doing just "good enough' and/or "enough to get by"? Think about it, the Scout uniform is the easiest standard to achieve, one m

Lets see if I have this right, if a certain uniform item has an unsavory nickname, then we should avoid it? None of the Scouts in the troop I serve in that wear the older overseas caps refer to them by any of the "gender or bodily fluid" nicknames attached to them by the military, in fact all the Scouts have called them is "hat" or "cap". One post says that they have a limited value for wear in the field, ok, I'll go along with that as the cap provides no shade to the eyes, neck or ears. Also it isnt very warm, so any Scout or Scouter who is on the ball would'nt pack one for an outdoor event.

My sons patrol chose the name "Rainbow Trout", great name....but no BSA made patrol emblem. Solution-Blank patrol emblem-1" brass and enamel fishing hat pin of a rainbow trout-super glue on back of pin-center on patch-push pin onto patch-bend pin over- sew to shirt(s). Found pins on eBay. There is a supplier there who sells nothing but these pins in lots of styles. Oh, BTW so far the one on my sons shirt has survived 8 washings, no chips or cracks-recomend zap-a-gap thick super glue. Will Kirchmayer ASM T131

NJcubscouter; The popularity of the flat hat in our troop started with a single Eagle Scout at this years Grant Pilgrimage at Galena,IL. This young man was in full uniform and wearing a mint looking flat hat. My son, a new 2nd class Scout, asked the Eagle Scout about his hat and was told that the hat had belonged to his grandfather. My son told me that he hoped we could find a similar hat as he would prefer the flat hat to the current cap. Long story short-eBay to the rescue! Since my son wanted one, I thought I'll get one for myself too as my original flat hat was given to a neighbor boy who

I am rather partial to the existing uniforms for the BSA as they are now. But I would like to see the old overseas or flat hat be manufactured again. At our recent yearly fundraiser for our troop (an election night chili dinner), my son's old overseas cap was constantly turning up on his fellow scouts heads. It turned out to not be a game of keep away, but a genuine admiration for the older headgear. Since then I have bid on and won several on e-bay, and am selling them at actual cost to scouts in our troop who want to purchase one. A functional but uniform outdoor parka with hood and rain she

I was visiting with my District Exec. just the other day at the coucil office when I noticed that the scout shop section had a supply of a patch that is shown in the uniform and insignia guide as "International Activity patch" the listing noted it can be worn on the right pocket of the uniform shirt by scouts and scouters. The DE and myself made a quick check of the current BSA handbook and the uniform/insignia guide but were unable to define what criteria has to be met to qualify one to wear this patch. Now I'm sure that one or several knowledgable readers/contributers to this forum might kno

Our troop has some older event patches that have become "suplus" for a variety of reasons, scout left troop, didnt want patch,etc... Our solution to avoiding clutter of old event patches is to divide them up among whichever scout or scouts the troop has going to the next jamboree where said patches become trading material. As for the out of date MB's and rank patches, we hang on to them. So far what we have is basically the older "technicolor" rank and position patches that technically could still be used, in fact earlier this year a new scout was presented with the older scout rank (brown FDL

I am a power plant operator for a state university.I served in the US Navy for 20 years and retired in 1996 as BT1(sw).That is USN for boiler technician first class, surface warfare qualifed-enlisted. I am proud to be a scouter and have only benefitted from being a part of the BSA.

I know kids like the current style knit caps worn pulled down. Perhaps supply division could come up with a scout version. Maybe olive green with a red FDL embroidered on it? Would be handy when the weathers cold and would fit in a pocket or pack easily.

When I became a den leader in the fall of '99, I wore the then current issue cub scout cap. The cap was the blue/gold one with the wolf on dark blue emblem. I wore it until the den graduated to Webelos. While a Webolos den leader, I wore the red/olive BSA ball-cap. I still wear the same cap now as an ASM of my sons troop. I chose not to wear the then current blue/light blue Webelos cap as I simply prefered the BSA style and told the boys in the den that the cap I wore was what they could wear when the joined Boy Scouts. While at the Grant pilgrimage at Galena ,IL this sping, my son who doesnt