Gold Winger

Removing an adult can be a difficult thing as my son's troop discovered. There was an adult who became abusive and disruptive after his weekend was disrupted to come get his son who was among a number of Scouts who decided to go swimming even though the no swimming flag was flying ("Stay out of the water or you'll go home"). Dad came to get Junior and started cursing at the SM and ASM for not watching the kids every minute of the day (at the time, Junior was a 15 year old Life Scout), he long thought that BSA had to do with BabySitters. After that, he became disruptive at troop meetings so the committee decided to take action. He was told that his conduct was on the agenda of the next committee meeting. The end result was that the committee decided to remove him from the Committee and tell him that he was no longer welcome at troop functions. Turned out Mr. Happy is friends with the COR who stepped in and said, "Nope, you can't do that. I don't care what he's done."

Don't know. Originally, it was the pay check but after ten years I'm still waiting for the first one to arrive. They must have my address wrong.

If they're doing a credit check, they'll never know that you were convicted for child molestation. I guess having someone with a good credit is more important than keeping the perverts out of the organization, especially at FOS time.

"I'm not sure what the BSA is telling people about these checks so I really can't defend that. Why is a consumer check necessary? It is possible there are some outstanding judgments against a person that could adversely affect them." This is supposed to be a check to see if we are "safe" to have around children. What does it matter if I've declared bankruptcy or if I've been late with my mortgage payment six times in the past year. Sounds like BSA is dealing off the bottom of the deck.

You're right. My motorcycle was made in Ohio. Too bad "American" companies don't follow suit.

"I have good friends who have Award of Merit and the Beaver" The have "the Beaver"?!!? What are Ward and June doing? Has the FBI been called?

I've observed that Chinese made goods run the gamut from cheap to excellent. Apparently, they made the products to exactly the specifications that the buyer requests. So you should have spent the extra money and gotten a GOOD Chinese fishing pole. The capitalist running dogs are bent on destroying the working class. They don't care what happens as long as they get their money. A friend was chatting with the president of his company, a Fortune 100 corporation, and asked the question, "What is going to happen to all of the kids who can't or don't want to got to college?" The answer was, "I don't care, my kids are taken care of." The sad solution is that there aren't many options. Try to find an American made consumer electronic device. How about a bicycle? Computer?

Hmmm . . . interesting story. Why don't you folks do what we do? That's require everyone who wants to attend the district dinner respond by one week before the dinner. That way the planners can plan. There are usually a few extra but for the most part, everyone who is planning on comming responds.

Yep, it's a guy thing and that's using the Dave Berry definition of "guy."

A few years back, I went to a UoS class on Scouting and media. The recommendation what that you should avoid identifying Scouts by name. People in the pack know who is who. The idea is that if the funny guys know the little guys' names, they can pull up and say, "Hey Johnny, need a ride?" Of course, all you have to do is go to a kids's baseball game and either someone will identify all of the players for you or you can listen to the coach yell their names.

" If they do not trust me be honest as a long time Eagle scout and scouter, why should I trust them when they are contradictory?" Why would they be doing a "consumer check"? To see if you can afford PTC. Maybe they hope to catch you opening an account with "www.hotteens.com"? Maybe because it costs less and BSA is only doing this to make people feel warm and fuzzy because they realize that the likelyhood of a convicted short eyes applying for membership in BSS is somewhere close to zero.

Back when I did YP training, we were told that it was recommended that you redo YP every three years but that there was no requirement that it be repeated. No troop meetings? What about all of the unregistered parents who attend without YP? Sounds like something deeper is going on.

"short of entrapment" Why stop there?

So it is okay for the government to lie as a "tactic" but not for others to do so. What happened to "lying is lying"?

" And buying them really devalues them. Remember the participant ribbons? Did it make the kids feel better about not getting first place? Not mine. Would buying a blue ribbon or a trophy really mean anything?" The participant ribbons are really for the parents so they can say, "Ohhhhh, look you got a ribbon."

" Everyone lies. And every lie is fundamentally a self-deception of some sort, perhaps a self-betrayal." What about when the Po-leese lie to the barricaded crimnimul and tell him that they are getting him a helicopter?

That is interesting. Since they are all training awards and there is different training for each position in Cub Scouting that there are different awards for each position. In Boy Scouts you only have SM and MC training.

I wonder about OA elections myself and wonder more about why many boys go through the ordeal if they have no intention of doing anything with OA.

"The sweater fits perfectly and will surely keep me warm. You put a lot effort into knitting it" That's lying by avoiding the question.(This message has been edited by Gold Winger)

"And do these people know for a fact the problems they are having getting a loan were cause by the BSA?" Ev, you're beginning to sound like Bob White.

"It's OK for me to have my own pet peeves, moans and groans. If the mood strikes me I can chew my kid's ear off. Telling him how lucky he is and going on about walking ten miles uphill to and from school." Apple and oranges. . . or maybe Granny Smith and Gala. What about the adult who winds up cleaning all of the tents because the youth can't be bothered and says, "Oh well, they're good boys but they have other things to do. If I make a fuss, they might quit." Or the boy that insists on farting loudly during meetings to disrupt them, "Oh, he's a good kid but I don't want to drive him away." It's the little things that add up to make a big difference.

So when your mother-in-law says, "how do like the sweater that I knitted for you?" you give her an honest answer and say, "it's as ugly as sin"? Very commendable.

Don't forget that we have the James West Someone Gave a Bunch of Money in My Name Knot.

" Severe punishments for minor lies need to be rethought. What kind of punishment would you dole out for: "Gee Miss ASM you sure look nice this morning" when the truth is she looks like the north end of a south bound mule. Plus who is brave enough to sit as the judge" From the original story, no one "lied," they just took a couple minutes to decide to step up and fess up. A white lie is something different, it is defined as a lie to avoid hurting someone feelings. See the example above. Other example abound . . . "Boy this is good cake grandma!" "Gee, I love what you've done with your hair." "No dear, those pants don't make your butt look big." Without white lies, society may well grind to a halt. Marriages would break up. Most men would never get a date (we know that our gut is tiny so if you tell us otherwise it is out of jealousy).

John's new name is "Finder of Dead Horses."