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  1. I must be one of the creepiest of the creeps around. Not only am I a Scouter without a child in the program, but also I was a stay-at-home dad for four year! Yep I got tired of some of the looks when I was out with my kids while I was in grad school and looking for a job. But the heck with them.
  2. It depends upon both the troop's tradition and your son's wishes. In some troops, mine was one of them, you were an "Eagle Candidate" until your COH. And this was used very jokingly with the New Eagles. Heck one guy had some fun with "Eagle Candidate" at his ECOH since he didn't have his ECOH until after coming back fromt eh USAF when he was 21. The ECOH was when you got everything; patch, medal, pins, certificate, etc. In other troops you get the patch ASAP, but the medal and cert. at the ECOH. One of the troops in my area does this since they only have 1 ECOH each year on Scout Sunday.
  3. Click, The old requirements for the world crest were abolished in 1989, not 1991. I know because I was part of an international activity that was supposed to have received the WC that year. We found out just prior to the trip that the requirements for that award were abolished and anyone could wear the WC. Ticked alot of us off. However the contingent leaders did make it up to us by issuing the WC from the country we visited. Same design, but the background was velvet. Still have it in my display case.
  4. Anderele, Did you ever get the Scouters Training Award or SM KEY? I ask because if you got either, then you should be considered a fully trained leader since being a Trained leader is one of the requirements. If so then your council should accept that as proof of being fully trained. In reference to continuous training, yes it's good but sometimes not possible. Some districts are small and don't have the interest to get a specific course going. That was one of my problems. Another problem is time. I don't know about other councils, but it seems as if there is something going on ev
  5. that's why you tuck in the collar and wear a neckerchief (This message has been edited by eagle92)
  6. Eagle92

    Which insignia?

    If possible, let him Wear the venturing uniform with his eagle badge, Eagle and other medals and OA sash if a member for two reasons. 1) Uniform regs allow venturers to wear eagle patch until 21 2) Promotes a " new" program that the BSA has that not many outside the Scouting community know about.
  7. Need to modify that last statement I made, In my old troop it was common for 18 YO eagle to wear it until they turned 19.
  8. I know the uniform police are going to get me on this one, but it was common for 18 yo adults to wear the Eagle patch on their uniform until 19. Then it came off. That was while I was a 18YO ASM. When they started the Venture Crew, then everyone wore their Eagle Patches after they turned 18 per uniform policy on the Venturing shirt.
  9. Haven't heard anything about this yet, but my question is this: what will be considered a "Trained' leader? I ask becasue we already have controversry with the WB and WB21C courses. I also ask because when I updated the training records of our leaders, Some of the courses that folks took to become trained were not listed in Training Book or in the registrar's book of training codes. I talking about folks who have been in Scouting for a long time, have trained folks, earned the Scouters training and/or SM Key, but because their course is not coded, they are not trained.
  10. Baschram, I have a friend who has you beat. Was ASM and SM prior to son and is still SM. Son is now ASM and Crew adviser. Grandson is a PL. Joke with this scouter is BP was his SM.
  11. Moxie, IOf memory serves me correctly, when the new OA handbook came out, national forgot to change the info to get to JumpStart. Sorry I can't tell you where to find the word now, but if anyone PMs me and is willing to answer a few questions, I'll hook them up. While "a Scout if Helpful" it doesn't mean I won't be a had butt with the questions. My lodge had a "poser" claiming to be Vigil of all things, but couldn't find his old uniform, couldn't remember his ordeal, vigil name, etc.
  12. In reference to Keith Christopher, if I remember correctly he does have some Sea Explorer/Scout experience. I beleive his daughter was registered with Ship 1 at one time. Also he worked with a ship that had the national bosun in it.
  13. I am going to toot my own horn for a minute or so. I have no kids in the program yet. But i've been a leader for 16 years now aqnd I know I've made a difference. As soon as I turned 18, I became an ASM, with the formal investitutre done at my ECOH 5 months after my 18th birthday. I stayed with my old unit for 5 years, being a role model, counselor, and "big brother" to those in my troop. When I left the troop to be a DE, the troop threw a party for me with guys who had aged out with me and while I was an ASM com,ing pack tot he party. I also had guys still climbing the trail want to k
  14. If you mean an 18 year old having a his ECOH, I say let him wear the uniform as it is his day. In addition to the Eagle Presentation Kit, I would buy a knot as well. Further if the young man is continuing on as an ASM, get that POR patch and do an ASM investiture ceremony. I actually know of one 21 year old who had his ECOH. His mom saved his "old" uniform for the day he when after serving in the USAF he could have the ECOH. Yep he had an ECOH three years after earning his Eagle. The troop had no problems with him wearing that old uniform with all the youth patches since we knew the situa
  15. You can find the admonition in the ceremony books.
  16. With the exception of two active Eagles, I have never, repeat NEVER, seen an active Eagle, either youth or adult, out of uniform at an ECOH. As for those two active Eagles out of Scout uniform, one was representing the USN for a certificate presentation, and was in USN uniform. The other Eagle was representing the Marine Corps League for a certificate presentation, and was in that uniform.
  17. Congrats on the election, SPL was a position I never formally held, alwasy the ASPL. In referecne to discipline, that's always a tricky one. i'll let others discuss that in detail. What we always did was put the troublemaker on display, basically asking him questions and letting him "teach" the class. That usually shut them up when I was in your shoes. As for planning your meetings, if you unit doesn't have a copy of the old "Woods Wisdom," or newer 'Troop Program Helps, Vols. 1-3" I would urge your SM to get a copy. each volume covers 12 topics, so with all three you can do 3 years
  18. Keith Christopher is the new pro in charge of Sea Scouts ?!?!? I had the great honor and pleasure of being in the New Orleans Area Council when he was Director of Support Services and he knows his stuff. Very approachable and knowledgable. national couldn't have picked a better pro for the job!
  19. The hat should be whatever the PLC wants it to be. It can be the offical cap, the expedition hat, scout camp hat, whatever the boys decide. My original troop originally limited to the scout ball caps and Smokeys for those who went through WB or Brownsea. Overtime the scouts decided any scout hat was ok so you saw Philmont hats, jamboree hats, scout camp hats, and when we stated doing exchanges with a Canadian troops, Canadian Scout hats. As for my EBOR, I had my smokey on!
  20. ScoutmomSD, Don't knock those of us who don't have kids in the program. For me, Scouting has opened up a world of opportunities as a youth, and I want to give back. Or as my wife says "Scouting is your drug of choice" Seriously though Scouting is something that gets into you and won't let go. And I am looking forward to my oldest finally being a Tiger Cub next year. Also some of the best SMs I know have never had kids in scouting. My original SM never had kids, he was a doting uncle who started a troop for his nephews. Even when they aged out and moved on, he continued to work with
  21. GW, Yep the camporee is a district function. But the commissioners handle the uniform inspection. Sorry my brain is fried at the moment, but I believe at one time an annual uniform inspection was something the commissioner staff was to do. This is a holdover from that time as it is considered the annual inspection. Also points towards toe camporee's award are given, and some units int he past have lost because of the inspection. Everyone takes it seriously here.
  22. Emb, I am going to have to disagree with you on Eagle to a degree. The new requirements may be designed for an11-13 year old, But for us older Eagles the requirements were definitely NOT. As for why some Scouts get Eagle late, even with the new requirements,there are a variety of reasons. I've seen some scouts who are involved in school extracurriculars, and do their best to continue Scouting. I've seen scouts who had to support themselves and help their families out financially. Heck I know of one eagle who actually had to fight his parents to remain in Scouting and get his Eag
  23. OK I actually have experience removing two leaders, and they are not a pleasant ones. While your DE and UC can help and advise you on the process, it is a "unit matter." here is my advice. 1) Make sure the UC, DC, and DE all know what is going on as they will receive flak about the removal. TRUST ME , I got a 12AM phone call from the individual when she was informed that her services were no longer needed. Plus as I mentioned above they can give advice on how to do it. 2) If your COR and IH are not actively involved with your unit, you need to have a sit down meeting with them to ke
  24. Another reason for the decline in Scouting may be some of the professionals and their quest to meet their memberships goals. The official stats may be off from the get go becasue of this problem. Ok I'll say it GHOST UNITS. How many of you have encountered those before?(This message has been edited by eagle92)
  25. Lem, Never judge a book by it's cover in reference to leaders. My old SM was about 5'9", was over 200 lbs, and had a large waist. However he ran marathons as a hobby, and when groups went to Philmont, he could walk people into the ground. Now as to why Scouting is losing number. IMHO, I think several factors are involved. In reverse order 3) Not enough dedicated leaders. Let's face it it takes time and dedication to be a leaders. When I was a DE doing roundups, I could get every single boy interested in CS, but when it cam time to recruit leaders from the parents, it was like pu
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