eagle-pete

New to scouts Welcome to the forums First - just an observation, not a criticism... you may want to consider registering under another user name. Assuming you continue on the forums, you won't be "New to scouts" for long. Now as for your den dilemmas - BSA recommends dens with 6 to 8 Cubs. This will help greatly with your rowdy boys. You will need 2 things. Parents who are willing to help and meeting places to accomodate the dens. To successfully recruit parents to help with Cub Scouts requires a little more than putting out a call for volunteers. Parents need to b

"...and he drove with his team of 5 over 100 miles. Guess what? NONE of those Scouters showed up." I donno, I am just shooting in the dark, but couln''t you simply require a deposit of, say $20, refundable at the end of the training class? Explain that this will cover expenses for the course incase of no-shows. I think they might want to show up to get their $20 back. If not, at least the gas is covered. Just a thought Eagle Pete

GaHillBilly One thing to consider is no training in BSA is intended to churn out perfectly ran troops all staffed with model leaders who all come to every scout meeting with their shirts all neatly pressed and with perfect boys all earning their Eagle Scout by age 16. This would be an unrealistic expectation, both from BSA and from Scouters. What we do want Scout Leaders to get from trainings is (1) the "Scouting Spirit". A special enthusiasm unique to Scouting. (2) A better understanding of how the program is intended to be run. There are many times in my own troop where we must

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away while serving as Cubmaster, I was working with the Scoutmaster to select, prepare, and train a fine young man to be our Den Chief. At the time, I could not find anywhere where a Den Chief Training was being held. I seem to recall on occasion seeing Den Chief trainings offered at what used to be called JLT (now NYLT). Although our council is offering NYLT I did not see anything in the description of the course that any Den Chief training was being offered. My wife (Den Leader) was recently told that she will be getting a new Cub Scout Den Ch

Pack121Scouter "Would any of you want this parent as a leader in YOUR Pack?" Well, not at first glance, although I suspect there may be more to this story. First of all, as a rule, I would not turn boys away from my pack if I were the Cubmaster. If it is a question of leadership and resources, well, new boys mean new parents who can be recruited as leaders, right? I am also sort of confused about your terminology. You do know there aren''t any patrols in Cub Scouting, right? I am going to assume you are referring to dens. If your dens currently have 13 cubs in each then

dasmith4 Welcome to the forums Great question. First of all, as far as policy, your Chartered Organization Representative in cooperation with your Pack Committee Chairman work together to determine the Chartered Organization''s policy on any fund raising. This means that any funds raised are entirely controlled, organized and distributed through the CO and your Pack Committee. You, as the Pack Treasurer, play a key role in this planning. You ensure that all funds are distributed according to the policies set forth by your Chartered Organization. A Pack Fund Raiser is, by def

Agreed.. They likely were the wrong adult selected at the time, but they could be a reasonably decent Scout Leader... ...If only we could just get them to training! Eagle Pete

Fscouter I see your point here, and on principle I agree. However, I am on our Scout Committee over training and I can''t bring myself to start a mandatory training policy. Just the thought of it gives me a knot in my stomach. Each and every one of our Scouters, including myself, are volunteers. I can beg, plead, bribe, and can do all but force them to go to trainings. But the bottom line is I walked myself into training without coercion. I voluntarily got out my checkbook and paid for many of the trainings I''ve attended. I have sat in many training classes and chose for myself

By the way, In Scouting there is no such position as a "Den Treasurer". There should be a Pack Treasurer on your pack committee. All funds should go through this individual, in which case the den that is guarding funds is not really following BSA budgeting procedure. If I was your Committee Chairman I would have a serious problem with that arrangement. Eagle Pete

n2cubfun Welcome to the forums. Strange - I''ve never heard of a den funding its own activities independent of the pack. You appear to have a den that doesn''t exactly follow the spirit of the BSA''s concept of Den -> Pack -> Chartered Organization. Ultimately, this will fall on the shoulders of the Chartered Organization Representative. As LongHaul keenly pointed out, monies brought into the pack, from whatever source, technically belongs to the Chartered Organization, although typically funds acquired by the pack stay in the pack. A den that organizes its own fund r

Hmmmm... According to the site which FScouter posted above (which comes from National)... "After he has earned the Wolf badge, a boy is encouraged to work on the 22 Wolf electives until he completes second grade (or turns 9 years old)." My interpretation is this can be BOTH grade and age dependant. This is not just LDS policy. This is BSA policy. Maybe I am slow, but I do not see how my original post conflicts with BSA policies. Please enlighten me. Eagle Pete

Lugnuts "And I thought the headaches would go away after I wrote the darn thing. lol" What headaches are you having? About your ticket item? or about the award? Eagle Pete

Boys who have completed first grade, or who are eight years old, are eligible to join the Wolf Den. At this point they begin earning the Wolf Badge. Boys who have completed second grade, or who are nine years old, are eligible to join the Bear Den. At this point they begin earning the Bear Badge. Once a boy turns nine years old, if he has not completed the Wolf Badge he can no longer work on the requirements for the Wolf Badge... only the Bear Badge. This keeps the boys in the same age group working on the same level and activities. Once a boy turns ten years old, if he has not

Amen, John

By the way.. This horse has been beat before: http://www.scouter.com/forums/viewThread.asp?threadID=149289 Eagle Pete

CONGRATZ! Eagle Pete WE7-589 I used to be an eagle, and a good ol eagle too.

We had an "Old WB" member of our staff. He has not gone through Wood Badge for the 21st Century. Yes, our Course Director bent (broke?) that rule. If you don''t say anything, I won''t. Anyway, it was obvious he had never gone through Wood Badge for the 21st Century. Just like Eamonn says, he kept trying to compare the old course with the new to the extent of attempting to apply old WB methods to the new. It didn''t work. He eventually did get converted to 21st Century after some one-on-one''s with the ASM. But it would have been easier on him to just go through the new course.

Ok, I missunderstood then. My apologies. If, infact, your local council is allowing any participants to attend Wood Badge without Outdoor Leadership Skills then your council is not following National on Wood Badge requirements. You may want to point this out if you are in a position to do so. Eagle Pete

gwd-scouter I understand, but the Wood Badge pre-requisite is for all scout leaders, including Cub Leaders, to complete Outdoor Leadership Skills. So it appears your council is, in fact, following the National Wood Badge requirements. The reason for this is at Wood Badge you not only receive leadership skills as a Cub Scout leader, but for all families of Scouting. Therefore, National requires all scout leaders to complete Outdoor Leadership Skills regardless of their current scouting position prior to attending Wood Badge. As a Cub Scout leader at Wood Badge you are getting a

gwd-scouter According to National, the following are the only qualifications I am aware of... "Qualifications Each Scouter invited to participate in Wood Badge training must have completed the basic training courses for their Scout position and completed the outdoor skills training programs appropriate for their Scouting position." source: http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=wood+badge I am not sure where you got the impression that Boy Scout leaders have any more pre-requisite requirements than any other scout leader. Eagle Pete

ScoutDadof5 Eamonn is exactly right. Wood Badge for the 21st Century has changed and is still evolving. He is also right to point out that, although we don''t want to place too much burden on staff in regards to time commitment, there are some things which can help the staff to come together. Our Course Director opted to adhere strictly to the Administrative Guide. We had three, and only three, staff development meetings. Other than that we had the first orientation meeting which he held 90 days out exactly as the guide states. We also had a staff dinner the night before the fir

According to the Cub Leader Handbook, the Pack Advancement Chair should "Help plan and conduct induction and advancement recognition ceremonies." It is the job of the Pack Committee to help plan and coordinate, with the cooperation of the Cubmaster, all recognition and advancement ceremonies. Also according the Cub Leader Handbook, "The badge should be ceremoniously presented as soon as possible at an upcoming Pack meeting." Note, the badge is presented as soon as possible, not just the card. The card is merely a record for the boy and his parents of what was earned and when. It i

Neal On principle, I agree. However, these are young boys, some as young as 7 years old. The requirement does not say ''memorize'' the promise. Let''s remember the Cub Scout Motto, "Do Your Best". My interpretation is as long as the Cub does their best to recite the Cub Scout Promise, and then (and this is even more important, IMO) can explain what it means to the best of their ability, in my book the boy has passed, even if they leave out a word or two. It is much more important to me that they meet the first requirement, to "Learn" the Cub Scout Promise. The actual wording

"They can have my lead based Philmont patch when they pry it from my cold dead hands." You mean when you die from the lead poisoning from the Philmont patch. Eagle Pete

I understand Wood Badge beads are non-toxic Eagle Pete