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  1. Here is the key to your answer: "You may only count tenure for a position in which you are registered, and may not use the same tenure for more than one award." So, as you have pointed out, you cannot be registered for more than one position, and therefore, your tenure cannot be applied to both positions at the same time. Remember what the whole point is for these awards... to improve the training and quality of the leader (which is ultimately designed to improve the unit for the boys). This is not a race to see how fast and how many knots we can place on our uniform. Eag
  2. For the beads, or for the boys? Have you caught the Wood Badge feeling? Scouting spirit's in the air. Like woodsmoke rising from a campfire, You can see it everywhere. It means more than a badge of wood That's hanging on a lace; For your Scouts lives are in your care, And you must set the pace. Will you seek to serve our brotherhood With your minds and with your hands? A ticket's more than just a good road map To Gilwell -- it's your plan! Can you teach and inspire, lead and give With a friendly and gentle way? For the men of tomorrow need guidance now
  3. Well said, Eamonn The only thing I could comment on here refers to your last statement - "At times I feel a lot of Wood Badge participants focus too much on the Ticket or should I say fail to see the real meaning of the Ticket. Sure it's a big part of the course, but if it is seen as just doing or meeting five goals I feel we have missed the real point." My personal experience was interesting. I started out just like you said. I wrote my ticket and had the 5 goals to work on. It wasn't until AFTER I completed the ticket that I started to see the meaning of the ticket. Eagle
  4. Ok, but why should it be incorporated into Wood Badge, by default? I can totally relate with your camp comfort level, John. Maybe I am just way off, but I learned how to camp in adverse weather by camping in adverse weather. Maybe I am lucky, but I have had the fortune of working with some really knowledgeable and really great Scout Leaders who mentored me along and taught me how to camp. To be fair, these excellent Scout Leaders I referred to did go through the old Wood Badge course... but I also know, because I have asked them, where they learned most of their outdoor skills. T
  5. John Not to worry. I am not, by any means, supportive of the notion that a Wood Badge ticket can be compared with an Eagle Project on any level. My whole intent and hope was to explore the topic and rouse some good discussion, which I believe we have. All the responses point to a main idea, which is that a participant and a boy scout both have disparate and differing objectives for the two projects. I am also in complete agreement with you regarding a scout working on an ELSP. I did enjoy exploring the topic and I have no idea what you are referring to with the sod surfing. Probably a
  6. Lisabob My intent?? Oh, you want to know what my intent is... ok. I thought I made this clear in my opening post on the topic. Sorry if I wasn't very clear. Let me explain by telling you how this came about. I was eating hotdogs at my beading ceremony, and just chatting with some of the folks who attended. We were discussing the Wood Badge ticket and what goes into working a properly crafted, and well meaning ticket. There were many who, either by parroting or by thinking through the process, came to the conclusion that a Wood Badge ticket could be compared, at least in tim
  7. Great responses to all! Some of the things I wanted to explore on this topic, and which I believe have come out, are, can there be a direct correlation between Eagle projects and Wood Badge tickets? Are we just comparing apples to oranges here? Is it an over simplification to assert that a Wood Badge ticket is like 2 or 3 Eagle projects? So far, the discussion is leaning toward the latter, however in sheer dedicated time, can it be said that a Wood Badge participant might devote similar hours to their ticket items as a boy scout might toward an Eagle project? It seems to me that t
  8. It's Me That sounds like it worked out ok. You got an apology, the boy is staying in scouting, the parents seem to be in agreement with the results, and nobody went to jail. Congratz! Eagle Pete
  9. Eamonn wrote: "I don't think if I was the Wood Badge Director that I would select someone who has just completed their ticket to be on staff. At the course so much information is given, that it is hard to take in. After the course participants are busy working on their tickets. I think taking some time to allow the course to sink in is a good idea." I couldn't agree with you more. It does take time for the course to sink in, even after completing the ticket. I personally know a couple staffers who were selected to serve on staff shortly after completing their tickets and, quite frankl
  10. This is just food for thought / fodder for discussion I was reading one of the threads here and it sparked a thought of mine which I have had in the past and is a theory which I have heard, at least going around my local council, that says something like "a Wood Badge ticket is like doing 3 or 4 Eagle projects." First of all, I should state that I am NOT an Eagle Scout, and so I am no authority on the efforts required to earn the rank. That being said, I have done some reading and have spoken with some Eagle Scouts about their projects and what it actually takes to earn the Eagle ra
  11. lizzygo Here's where I AGREE with ScoutNut - If you have parents who are obviously avoiding Tiger Den Meetings and who have also agreed to be Tiger Partners, they may need a little refresher on what their responsibilities are as Tiger Partners. I believe there should be more commitment there. You may want to establish some policies for your Tiger Cub Den such as, if the Tiger Partner cannot attend, arrangements must be made for a secondary Tiger Partner - This should be an individual that you know personally and who understands the Tiger Cub Program. You may want to have the Tige
  12. Correct me if I am wrong, but based on what TigerDen2 has posted, I believe that the original issue, "How do I get them to volunteer?", is referring more to help with the various den projects, activities, and tasks associated with running a successful den, and not so much how to get parents to be Tiger Partners. TigerDen2 stated: "The parents MUST attend & they know it. I had two drop out immediatley after the first meeting when they found out it wasn't a baby sitting service." It appears that TigerDen2 has already made it clear to the parents that there needs to be Tiger Partn
  13. TigerDen2 You've taken the lead as a volunteer Den Leader (2 Thumbs Up). You're a great example to all the parents! Hopefully they will follow your lead some day. Over the years I have had various levels of support from parents and I have come to a few conclusions... Parents (as a rule) don't just volunteer For many reasons, including unfamiliarity with the program, uncertainty where to help, not wanting to jump right into scouting, time constraints, etc., parents do not readily volunteer to help out. Ask for small, specific tasks I have found it is much more effect
  14. madmike You're right. A Tiger Cub probably won't do much more than look at the pictures... but he may want to read some of those Boys' Lifes later. Mom or dad can put them away for him to read when he is older. I know I would love to have some of those BL mags I got when I was a kid... What I wouldn't do for them now.... I don't believe it is a waste of money or just goes to a BSA money pot somewhere, although I am not blind to the fact that BSA does make money on the subscriptions. I don't really care. Don't some of us donate to the BSA anyway? The fact is, it takes m
  15. CORRECTION SWScouter is correct. According to the Webelos Uniform Inspection Sheet, "Olive/Tan Webelos Scout Uniform. Webelos Scouts electing this option wear blue shoulder loops, Webelos neckerchief, and Webelos cap. Blue (preferred) or olive belt may be worn. Academics and Sports belt loops will fit only on the blue belt. Badge placement is same as for blue uniform. Thank you for the clairification. Eagle Pete
  16. Lisabob Thank you for the clarification. I certainly agree that cost can be an issue. There are a few things a den or pack can do to try to offset this... Uniform Bank This is a uniform exchange system where boys leaving the pack or moving up to Webelos can turn in their blue shirt and receive tan shirt in exchange. Boys who grow out of tan shirts can also donate their shirt to the uniform bank for the Webelos coming up. It takes some time to build it, but it can be a great resource for the pack. I suggest giving a committee member charge of organizing and managing the bank. T
  17. WDL Mom I concur with Lisabob... There doesn't appear to be any restrictions with wearing the Webelos den patrol emblem on either the blue or the tan shirt. Nor does there seem to be anything regarding having to earn the Webelos Rank as a den before wearing a patrol emblem. I would like to bring up a few points. First, you may want to consider coming to some agreement on either the blue shirt or the tan shirt for a couple reasons. One... Den Unity. Having all boys wear the same color shirt lends to a feeling of unity in the den, which is one of the big reasons for
  18. Interesting Did he have a problem with the new leader coming in or just a problem with the rotation itself? Eagle Pete
  19. Very good, John! Have a GREAT ceremony! Yeah, I'm a lifer too... Hope to see ya on staff someday. Eagle Pete
  20. As many of us already know, one of the optional requirements of National Quality Unit award is an increase in subscriptions to Boys' Life magazine. "A subscription to Boys Life will go into the homes of all our Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts,and Webelos Scouts, or we will have a 10 percent increase over a year ago." The Interpretation of Commitments on the reverse side of the form recommends that "...100 percent of your pack families sub-scribe. Part of the packs annual budget should include Boys Life magazine." While I would never insist that every family in every pack subscribe to the magazi
  21. lizzygo This is definitely allowed... the question is is it the best thing for the boy. Your Cub Master may be able to provide some guidance in this, however I would be willing to bet that the ultimate decision will be up to you, the Den Leader. I would have a sit-down talk with the parent and find out the reasoning behind the request to change dens. Your final decision should be geared toward what is best for the boy. Eagle Pete(This message has been edited by eagle-pete)
  22. Well, if I knew you were going to give this to the SM I would have been more blunt! (kidding) Anyway, let us know how it all turns out. Eagle Pete
  23. What a topic! One could write a book about what Wood Badge is about... I've been thinking of a way to reply to this topic without sounding like an ad for a time share... Let's see now... (cheesy music starts playing) What is Wood Badge ALL about? Well, I am hardly qualified to say what it's ALL about... I can tell you a few things... Wood Badge is about Camaraderie - Learning to work together, finding new, sometimes life-long friends, joining a brotherhood that lasts for years and years. Wood Badge is about Service - Serving fellow Wood Badgers, serving the
  24. Fuzzy - Convene the EBOR and let the chips fall where they may! Do you not trust the BOR process to make appropriate judgment in this situation? If so, then let's abolish the entire BOR process. Let's go ahead and let the decision rest wholly on the shoulders of one individual: The Scoutmaster. Mom is angry that a EBOR has been denied - at this point, the rank has not had even the chance of review. If an EBOR can be convened, and the rank is denied, the scout may appeal... Who will mom yell at then? This works to the SM advantage as well. He can still stay clean out of it, and w
  25. saucydog We'd need a little more information here to be able to offer any useful suggestions... Would you say the scouts are "dropping out" primarily due to other activities? Have you spoken with the parents of these boys? If so, what were their responses? Have you brought this up in Committee meeting for discussion? If so, what were some of the conclusions/solutions which came from that meeting? If, after going through these steps, you have not reached any solutions, have you discussed this with your District Leaders (at Roundtable) and your Local Council? Do yo
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