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- Jan 2010
If you have a good job that you are happy doing and it provides the standard of living that you are looking for, I would urge you look deeply and think seriously before leaving it to be a DE. It is a very difficult job that, IMO, is going to get even more difficult....even impossible. Schools are cutting the scouts out from doing Cub Scout recruiting and United Ways are cutting the scouts out from their allocations. Bad press is hurting the scouts ability to get an audience with new potential givers. In short, the job is not one that most sane people would want.
le Voyageur commented10-27-2013, 06:34 AMEditing a commentHave to agree here ... the DE job can be boiled down to two key elements which is fund raising, and recruiting. In our District here which is rural and poor, DE's come and go like the change of the season because they fail to reach their goals of bringing in the bucks and bodies. Do think twice before leaving a good job....
ProScout commented10-27-2013, 04:16 PMEditing a commentThis is helpful. I'm thinking more and more that this is not going to be the opportunity for me that I had hoped. Please know that the reason that I am seeking to leave my current job is that it is 60 miles from home, one way. That said, I think patience may be important here in terms of finding the right fit. I have the second interview and personality test tomorrow. I'm going to move forward with it, but unless I hear some earth-changing news, I think I'm going to have to pass.
I appreciate everyone's candor on the topic.
- Sep 2006
Instead of quitting your job, why not volunteer for your district or Council? The happiest DEs I know are the ones who have retired once and no longer have kids at home.
Ya I am cynical......
We had a number of troops without packs associated and a number of packs without troops associated. It worked for the units and the boys, the boys would visit the unit and find one to their taste.
So what did our then DE do.......He created a number of new troops to associate directly with Packs that did not have them. End result three years later all of the troops with out packs directly associated with the troops are folding. We have lost three troops this year from this, the last unit folded Monday last week.
I can hear old Bando, In his best rah rah scout voice," Why didn't those lazy scouters go and create a Pack directly with their Troops?" Good question, Because every single school that could support a Pack did, and the Units that had multiple schools refused to give one up to a new unit.
So the DE screwed several 40 year old troops for greed. Sure he met his numbers, but the poor new guy, is hosed, with more units folding than that idiot created. What about all that local scouting history he flushed down the toilet.
I have had 4 DE's in the last 4 years, NONE of them has keep their word or delivered on the councils obligation to provide books and shirts as requested. I am not even going to get into the money one DE stole from me.
Buy you guys think it is great and fine....so be it. I know a number of retired scouters who would make fantastic DE's.
Life long scouters, these guys have 40 years in scouting and are completely selfless. They would do the job because they love it not because of a paycheck.
Scouting in this country is in big trouble, If you guys are too blind to see it I am sorry.
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Basementdweller commented10-28-2013, 08:15 AMEditing a commentNike has it nailed.
I never vent to parent or the boys. They have no idea of the problems our district has, ZERO district functions beyond round table, They have no idea of the Games our DE play with providing yard signs and free flyers to specific units. The recruiting games played, the re assignments of elementary schools.
The Scouting world is very rosy for many of you folks, consider yourself lucky.
We get ZERO support from district or council and it used to be the only time they would come visit was for FOS and to Pick up the cub apps and money after sign up night. They provide zero service.Last edited by Basementdweller; 10-28-2013, 08:25 AM.
Basementdweller commented10-28-2013, 12:40 PMEditing a commentOh my personal favorite, was a friend who is on our district committee is telling me that our District is in the hole by $50k.
You have gotta explain that to me. The church that hosts round table is free, Presenters provide their own handouts, No day camp, No camporees, No training, No shirts, No awards dinner,
So explain to me how this is possible.
dedkad commented10-28-2013, 01:57 PMEditing a commentMaybe the deficit stems from their share of salaries distributed to them by Council? Someone has to pay the salaries of the Council and District employees. I imagine it is probably distributed based on size of each District.
So the glass half full perspective......we are on a short list to get some canvas and some additional cook boxes. and such.
- Sep 2009
I try to remember that a DE is a paid staffer for what is essentially a non-profit, volunteer organization. Organizations like that still have to pay the bills & keep the lights on. With that in mind, I'm not surprised that a DE's focus is heavily on membership & fundraising.
For our units, we don't really put the DE in our critical path, but don't really ask him for permission to do things. He's more like an adjunct leader we interact with for assistance than someone we have significant expectations of. I don't mean that to sound harsh or negative, it's not. Our unit leaders control our own destiny. For example, we plan our own recruiting campaign and build our own strong program. We get great recruiting turn out from a proactive campaign and good word of mouth. So, in turn, our DE works with us as he recognizes it's good for him and the district to do so.
For the district, my rule of thumb is that we shouldn't complain about district operations unless we're willing to contribute to making them better. If we're not willing to contribute, then we just participate in other ways. For example, there are not a lot of district level service opportunities right now, so we're planning our own. There's no district cuboree, so we found a neighboring council with one and attend theirs. On the flip side, we needed unit leaders trained, so we significantly staffed local district trainings.
- Feb 2013
A 60 mile commute, an hour each way sucks. However, if it's "normal hours" that's a big plus. DE is a management job, exempt, from overtime, and involves a LOT of overtime. You have a dual-role, with hazy metrics on it.
Goal one, marketing/sales. In this role, you are out promoting Scouting, finding Charter Organizations to start up new Units, helping arrange recruiting at your district level. It sounds like you have a positive view of scouting from your youth and the background for this.
Goal two, support role. The program is delivered by volunteers, so your job is to support them. This means committee meetings, liasoning to council, arranging whatever special treatment is necessary for units. Sometimes units need special help. It's a long job with long days, since you have 9-5 office time, where you are driving around, setting up meetings, etc. My DE is at District Events, Council Events, Day Camp, etc.
So you need to work Sunday night (to prep for a Monday morning meeting), M-F 9-5, one night/week for meetings District/Council Meetings, one night/week for FOS type presentations, 1 weekend/month for activities. That's a pretty substantial commitment for a job, IMO.
OTOH, if you take the time being a volunteer scouter takes and add it to your day job, that's about what you're looking at as a day job.
If you have a good job, and it's a salary hit, and you think it'll be fun and cut down on your commute, I think you're out of your mind. My DE works 60-80 hour weeks, makes crap money, and has watched his personal life implode because of all the time Scouting takes.
I hear everyone saying there is a bunch of over time.....Really?
Explain to me again what they do all day while the units are not meeting and there are no events going on?????
Ours doesn't do boy talks, Doesn't attend District commisioners meetings, Doesn't attend day camp.
So what do they do during the day?
qwazse commented11-01-2013, 05:28 PMEditing a commentCorrespondence (letter, phone, or in-person):
E.g., to/from scouters like who mist roundtable and need a rechartering packet.
To potential corporate donors regarding how to support scouting in their neighborhood.
To unit FOS coordinators making sure they have what they need.
To potential chartered organizations to ask if they are interested in starting a unit.
To youth who may have never heard about the programs available to them through scouting.
Or they should be meeting with adults/youth who volunteer for any of the above.
Really and truly, DE's job is to be meeting. It's only a matter of whom.
Pack18Alex commented11-03-2013, 11:46 PMEditing a commentMeetings with their superiors in BSA, reviewing spreadsheets, looking over reports, dealing with the antiquated IT of BSA to get information out.
Our DEs are all at work at 9 AM and there until 5 PM, whether that time is productive or not I do not know. Add Roundtable and any Council Committees they advice, plus events, it's a ton of overtime.
- Jan 2012
No more posts from ProScout
..... so I'm guessing he didn't turn pro after all.
Yeah, I'm sure all that tedium adds up a good bit more than I see..... but I'm with you Basement, I have a hard time wrapping my head around full time.
I do see a lot of after hours and weekend need, but not 40 hours a week x 50ish weeks a year.
That is why I contend that the position really wants to be more involved with the stuff it's hard to expect from already stretched-too-thin volunteers.... such as training and 'direct' support of the units and volunteers.