Another lawsuit and of course Media hype. Follow the rules people.

[yknot]

2 hours ago, Tron said:

The lawyer and family are fundamentally reading the division by age stuff wrong. Cub scouts meet roughly weekly 2-3 times a month in dens (which can be but might not always be divided by age due to leader or program limitations); once a month cub scouts meet as a pack where all dens participate together. This will get ripped apart by any competent defense/litigation attorney. 

The lawyer and family are also misunderstanding the reporting requirements. The council is not at fault for the unit not following reporting rules. The fault is going to fall on the registered adult leaders (most likely the key 3 will get hit by the bus), and then the charter organization. This is simply logic, how can council be in the wrong if they were not notified because the unit was violating the reporting procedures? This right here is why our YPT/Safeguarding is online only; the councils lawyer will point out the youth protection training part that mandates reporting and will show negligence by the leader(s) and not council. 

Again the council cannot be at fault for the leaders not following the guide to safe scouting and allowing a prohibited event.  The councils lawyer will again reference the mandatory youth protection training segments. 

Erie Shores and national are going to spend a bunch of money redirecting everything to the charter organization, unit leaders, and parents (involved that night). The entire organization is going to get a lesson in how everything is siloed and compartmentalized post settlement. 

The only risk to Erie Shores council that I can see is if the plaintiffs attorney can show that the council has a chartered obligation to ensure all leaders are trained and that the leaders present were not trained past 90 days so the council is at fault for some sort of oversight in ensuring trained leaders. If that happens it might actually help the rest of the program and force all councils to protect themselves by washing out all the F grade leaders who can't be bothered to do free online training. 
 

I think Erie Shores is the chartering organization for that pack. There were also prior incidents with the older child attacking the younger child. 

[Eagle94-A1]

13 hours ago, Tron said:

Cub scouts meet roughly weekly 2-3 times a month in dens (which can be but might not always be divided by age due to leader or program limitations); once a month cub scouts meet as a pack where all dens participate together. This will get ripped apart by any competent defense/litigation attorney. 

Depends. In my neck of the woods, the entire pack meets every week. They will do a joint opening, then split into dens. Sometimes den meetings are done as a pack instead of individual dens.

[yknot]

1 hour ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Depends. In my neck of the woods, the entire pack meets every week. They will do a joint opening, then split into dens. Sometimes den meetings are done as a pack instead of individual dens.

The (fairly) recent revision of the Cub program was meant to facilitate this kind of den/pack structure/meeting scheme. With the dearth of adult volunteers, it allows one leader to oversee multiple dens and/or ranks and all meet at the same time. The achievements were also better coordinated among the ranks so that it's easier to have multiple ranks work on similar achievements. 

[Eagle94-A1]

What I describe has been going on in my area for over 25 years. This is nothing new here. But it definitely shocked me when I first got here.

[jcousino]

17 hours ago, yknot said:

I think Erie Shores is the chartering organization for that pack. There were also prior incidents with the older child attacking the younger child. 

So if that is true, it is a known repeating abuse. There should already be a police report for the first event involving a scout. All leadership are required reporters. Looks like multiple failures to protect and follow state law. Reporting to the Scout office is required under BS youth protection. So, the council may already be aware of the problem from prior events. And they took no action. May non-attorney guess it will be settled for at least 7+ figures or more. Should be a child protective service investigation against all parties involved with charges as needed.

[yknot]

1 hour ago, jcousino said:

So if that is true, it is a known repeating abuse. There should already be a police report for the first event involving a scout. All leadership are required reporters. Looks like multiple failures to protect and follow state law. Reporting to the Scout office is required under BS youth protection. So, the council may already be aware of the problem from prior events. And they took no action. May non-attorney guess it will be settled for at least 7+ figures or more. Should be a child protective service investigation against all parties involved with charges as needed.

My non attorney guess is that the defendent is the issue of one of the leaders. They all share the last same initial. Could be a coincidence, but it's not unusual to hear stories about leaders' kids who never seem to be at fault or or made to deal with any real consequences.