Youth Protection Question

[PACAN]

How do units interpret this?

Registered leaders must follow these guidelines with all Scouting youth outside of Scouting activities. There are careers that may require one-on-one contact with youth, however aside from those roles, volunteers must abide by the youth protection policies of Scouting America even outside of Scouting activities.

 

Scout leader hires a scout in his business as a trainee to install air conditioners.    Scout leader has to travel to job sites in his two seat work truck and takes the youth with him. 

Opinion ?

[Tron]

Sounds like a poor decisions. What's the number, 9 out of 10 sexual assault victims personally know their attacker? Never 1v1 ever has a serious track record backing it up. 

[PACAN]

There are careers that may require one-on-one contact with youth, however aside from those roles, 

 

This is the line that I'm not sure what they meant by adding it.   Employer/Employee?  Doctor/patient?

[Tron]

22 hours ago, PACAN said:

There are careers that may require one-on-one contact with youth, however aside from those roles, 

 

This is the line that I'm not sure what they meant by adding it.   Employer/Employee?  Doctor/patient?

I am going to guess that it's a teacher/student thing. I know several teachers who are also scout leaders in my community; technically if they are walking down a hall after school when there are barely any people present and a student who is also scout is walking down said hall and there is no one else there; wouldn't that technically be a YPT 1v1 violation? 

The real answer is that Scouting America was put over a barrel by the lawsuit; a lot of victims were assaulted outside of the auspices of BSA but the perpetrator was someone they knew from within BSA. Now we have these rules that make no sense.

[PACAN]

Is the new YPT have to be done by every adult by May 31st ?  What if a scouters doesn't expire until september?

[Tron]

17 minutes ago, PACAN said:

Is the new YPT have to be done by every adult by May 31st ?  What if a scouters doesn't expire until september?

It's only required by those who are going to expire. The big issue is that as the new safeguarding rolled out as a 12 month requirement the individuals with more than 12 months to expire had their default expiration date changed to 31 May. The big concern is that moat leaders are in capable of reading email.

[Double Eagle]

Not a lawyer by any means, but trying to apply intent to the letter of the policy.  I think the capacity of the participants has a lot to weigh on the consideration.  YPT- followed-guidelines under the auspices of the BSA/SA are then covered by insurance and national lawyers.  Violations within the scouting environment subject the accused party to legal action by the BSA/SA. 

With that said, I have to think that if not a scout related activity such as job, school, church, it would fall into civil and legal actions.  One thing that comes to mind is the BSA/SA rules on the 2yr limit on sleeping together, whether siblings or not.  Seems every multi-scout household would be violating the letter of the policy in a private dwelling.  It also dictates needing registered leaders on overnighters.  

I think that supports my opine on the activity type dictates BSA/SA YPT compliance or tolerance. 

[jcousino]

Violations within the scouting environment subject the accused party to legal action by the BSA/SA. 

The only action that scouting can take is to affect its own policies through membership restrictions. And possibly to recover funds paid out because of the improper action of a member. Suspected youth issues can quickly escalate to the point of legal reporting. Given a 12 y and a 15 in the same tent, is it a BSA policy violation? If the 15-year-old behaves improperly toward the 12-year-old, it's a legal issue.

[MikeS72]

15 hours ago, PACAN said:

Is the new YPT have to be done by every adult by May 31st ?  What if a scouters doesn't expire until september?

Yes, unless they completed the new S.A.F.E.guarding Youth training after its release in mid-May of 2025, in which case they will complete an approximately 20-minute refresher on their due date.  I have stressed this many times to leadership in my district, as many did not realize that if they did the old course on let's say May 1, 2025, and got an email with a certificate set to expire on May 1, 2027, that as TRON stated that expiration date was changed to May 31, 2025.  (This is what I experienced, as I redid YPT at the end of April last year and then did the new course as soon as it was released)

As soon as I saw that the refresher was up and available I sat down and completed it.  It is pretty well done and has a test at the end.  As long as you pass the test (80% to pass) you are good for another year.  If you do not pass the test, it will not allow you to rewatch the refresher, you must redo the entire 90-minute course.

Edited 3 hours ago by MikeS72

[Tron]

13 hours ago, Double Eagle said:

Not a lawyer by any means, but trying to apply intent to the letter of the policy.  I think the capacity of the participants has a lot to weigh on the consideration.  YPT- followed-guidelines under the auspices of the BSA/SA are then covered by insurance and national lawyers.  Violations within the scouting environment subject the accused party to legal action by the BSA/SA. 

With that said, I have to think that if not a scout related activity such as job, school, church, it would fall into civil and legal actions.  One thing that comes to mind is the BSA/SA rules on the 2yr limit on sleeping together, whether siblings or not.  Seems every multi-scout household would be violating the letter of the policy in a private dwelling.  It also dictates needing registered leaders on overnighters.  

I think that supports my opine on the activity type dictates BSA/SA YPT compliance or tolerance. 

Siblings and parents have carveouts under the new program. Siblings of the same sex can tent and buddy system regardless of age now (since last summer). There is also an "accommodation" for parents to tent with scouts as well (since last fall). 

We're in a whole new world scouters.