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Love the "use only manufacturer's replacement ropes" line. (No pun intended.)

Manufacturers often ship hammocks without ropes!

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I'm guessing they're assuming that "Hang hammocks in secure locations" is sufficient for making sure you have a sturdy enough tree; but, they do mention "If you are using solid, living trees, special care should be taken not to damage the outer bark." 

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18 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

Well at least they didn't say we couldn't use them! (I have been using a Hennessy for years). I am surprised they didn't say something about:

(4) Another danger of small boy 'hammock stacking' is the fart in the face. 

Or, from observations, the upper hammock being tied a little looser than the lower hammock, and/or with heavier contents, the hammocks can get, err, well, a little too close for comfort. 

I've had explorers triple deck hammocks before, I really don't like it, as the top "bunk" is 6ft off the ground, but apparently they know everything and "it'll be fine". It was, as it happened, but it doesn't mean I have to like it.

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Hammock stacking is definitely a thing, especially when some do not bring a rain fly, if you stack, less rain flys....  Great place to nap during campouts, I am not a fan of all night, like to move around too much.

On outings our troop is about 90% sleeping in hammocks, they pitch tents to store gear.  Most like they are level, no rocks or limbs in their backs, and unlike the leaders, they don't have to get up 3 times during the night for the call of nature.  

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I tried the hammock because I'm always looking for something to smooth out the hard ground. But I couldn't fall a sleep while shaped like a taco shell. :blink:

Scouts enjoyed it for naps.

Barry

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1 minute ago, Tampa Turtle said:

You gotta sleep at an angle to centerline to get the back straighter. I prefer it to the ground but I find fighting the thermal loss a hassle sometimes. I have had some excellent sleeps in them.

My ENO hammock and the REI Flash air mattress (insulated and not fully inflated) has solved that issue for me. I am amazed at how comfortable I sleep...and I am a "stomach sleeper" but I sleep like a baby.

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On 12/11/2017 at 5:21 AM, qwazse said:

Love the "use only manufacturer's replacement ropes" line. (No pun intended.)

Manufacturers often ship hammocks without ropes!

And hammocks really shouldn't be using ropes to contact the tree. Ropes can connect the hammock and straps (and usually are), but straps should be all that contact the tree.  That, and some of us have homebuilt hammocks.  I guess that means I can use any "rope" as I am the manufacturer of my hammock.

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On 12/11/2017 at 9:38 AM, Tampa Turtle said:

Old fat middle aged men struggling to get our of a hammock look remarkably like a turtle trapped on his back....anything for the enjoyment of the lads.

I resemble that remark, especially when using my extra wide hammock (72" wide).  

 

That is why I always hang my hammock with the other adult tents between me and the Scout tents.  

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I've never had this problem of getting out of a hammock.  At my age, I haven't figured out how to get in to begin with.

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I'm calling foul at use of a certain word here (which is included in the thread title).

These are NOT BSA rules.  These are not BSA policy. 

These are safety pointers - suggestions for using a hammock safely and without doing damage to trees. 

No where in any of this is the word must or any other word that would require you to follow these pointers.

Everything is written on a "should" basis. 

We spend more than enough time going back of forth on actual rules and policies.  Can we stop getting people all hyped up over things that are not intended to be policy or rules?

Seriously, what's next?  If the BSA were to put together pointers on making great blueberry pancakes which recommends that if using canned or thawed frozen blueberries, you drain the juice off first so that the pancakes don't turn green, will we then have to spend the next 5 years trying to calm people down that claim that it is a BSA rule to drain blueberries?

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@CalicoPenn

Semantics aside, we have a responsibility as Scouters and volunteers in this organization to adhere to established program policies/rules/guidelines. The purpose of BSA Health and Safety Alerts and BSA Safety Moments are to call attention to situations to which there is a present or probable situation in which members could be harmed. They're used to keep our youth safe and enable their leaders to make sound decisions based on the collective experiences/research of volunteers across the country.

They're not issued for "blueberry pancakes" preferences.

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22 minutes ago, 4CouncilsScouter said:

@CalicoPenn

Semantics aside, we have a responsibility as Scouters and volunteers in this organization to adhere to established program policies/rules/guidelines. The purpose of BSA Health and Safety Alerts and BSA Safety Moments are to call attention to situations to which there is a present or probable situation in which members could be harmed. They're used to keep our youth safe and enable their leaders to make sound decisions based on the collective experiences/research of volunteers across the country.

They're not issued for "blueberry pancakes" preferences.

Yes - we have a responsibility to adhere to established program policies and rules - ACTUAL policies and rules.  We also have a responsibility NOT to create our own policies and rules.

Part of that means not turning things the BSA sends out as helpful hints or safety reminders that have nothing to do with policies and rules into some kind of defacto policy or rule and then get even more people upset about the ridiculous policies and rules that the BSA creates when the fact is the BSA never did so in the first place.

These are NOT BSA policies and rules.  They are simply safety tips to make hammock usage more enjoyable.  They are as much policy and rules as tips in the Boy Scout Handbook on how to best site a tent.

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