Scouting History

[Isabel Field]

Guys do not believe a website called http://www.wikipedia.org. when it comes to scouting history. Those people have been destroying scout history and spreading lies. My uncle Charles Smethurst Snow founded the scouts in Australia. He received a Silver Wolf medal in 1917 from Lord Baden-Powell ,according to the Australian government records and scouting records. His history is being deleted by someone. Uncle used to also have a statue of him that was on a hill overlooking the city of Brisbane..and scouting owned land and buildings are named after him because he provided them tor the Scouts. Do not trust that wikipedia website. It claims to be an encyclopedia..but it is not genuine and. Ibelieve it is being run by bad people. Love your true Scouting history. I am Isabel Joy Field and the national child advocate in Australia, which: s quite different to USA style. I am Child Advocate Class Action over there which is mainly legal stuff and interestingly provides for kids youth parents families community and very strict. So...see you next time...Isabel Email to. Childadvocateclassaction@hotmail.com Isabel.field@hotmail.com

[scoutldr]

In the US, every student is taught that Wikipedia is not an "authoritative resource" for doing research. Anyone can author an article and anyone can edit it.

[TAHAWK]

Isabel, learn how to edit on Wicki, and fix the article - every day if necessary. You can use "cut" and paste" to have the accurate language and coding ready to reinsert. As Scoutldr says, the public runs it, and the public includes some bad people.

 

Political correctness applies to Scouting. In 2010 we celebrated the "100th anniversary of Scouting in the United States" -- 102 years after my troop began meeting (We have contemporary newspaper clippings and the original 1908 UK charter for the troop.) Seems there were 100's of troop and patrols meeting as part of over a dozen Scouting organizations pre BSA, but some feel the need to rewrite history to better fit the narrative they support. Oddly, the troop in which I Scouted as a boy also started in 1908 as a Peace Troop and met for almost twenty years before BSA finally got stable in Orange County, California.

 

Please be sure you are posting reality and not merely family tradition. I inherited a "pistol carried in the [uS] Civil War" by a relative, only to find that the revolver (as it was) was manufactured 13 years after the war was over and the relative born in 1860, far too young to have fought in the war. 0___0

 

 

Charles Smethurst Snow (1882-1953), Boy Scout commissioner, was born on 20 September 1882 in Brisbane, eldest of four children of English-born parents Charles William Snow, jeweller, and his wife Lucy Emily, née Garn. Educated at Brisbane Normal and Brisbane Grammar schools, young Charles was apprenticed to his father, and worked as a watchmaker and jeweller in the family business.

 

While serving as organist and choirmaster at St Mary's Church of England, Kangaroo Point, he formed a scout patrol from the lads of the choir and boys' club in 1908. In the following year he helped to establish a controlling body, the Queensland Section of the Australian League of Boy Scouts, and was elected chief scoutmaster. During a visit to Queensland in 1912, Sir Robert (Lord) Baden-Powell presented him with the medal of merit. In 1917 Snow was awarded scouting's highest honour, the Silver Wolf. Scouts competed in campfire and campcraft activities for two trophies named after him, the Snow Cup (1913) and Snow Casket (1918).

 

Enlisting in the Australian Imperial Force on 17 July 1917, Snow reached England in February 1918. He served as a mechanic with the Australian Flying Corps and was posted to No.1 School of Navigation and Bomb-dropping before being discharged from the army on 13 July 1919 in Brisbane.

 

Resuming his scouting interests, he was made commissioner in September. He was also to hold the offices of commissioner of sea scouts (1921-23), commissioner for adult leader-training (from 1923) and chief commissioner (from 1925). Wearing his scout uniform, he married 22-year-old Una Catherine Gibson on 19 January 1924 at St Andrew's Church of England, Ormiston.

 

In 1925, at Canungra, he organized the Queensland scouts' first 'corroboree'. Having run classes for scout leaders from 1913, Snow encouraged the Boy Scouts' Association to acquire (1928) Eprapah, a 99-acre (40 ha) bushland property by a creek at Victoria Point, as a training ground for the State's scouts and their leaders. He had a long and practical association with Eprapah, where he showed that he could 'turn his hand to anything'. Although he had limited formal education, he was a 'natural teacher'. In 1930 he was master-in-charge of the Church of England Grammar School's preparatory school, East Brisbane.

 

Tradition was broken in 1931 when Snow's position of chief commissioner became salaried and full time. He had the vitality, magnetism and autocratic manner to command attention, and was an 'exceptional communicator', able to 'work his audience' as well as involve them. To scouts and scoutmasters, he seemed a local Baden-Powell. In 1933 he led the Australian contingent to the world jamboree at Gödöllö, Hungary. In 1943, after the State governor and chief scout, Sir Leslie Wilson, took exception to having a paid chief commissioner, Snow relinquished the position. He continued as commissioner for training until ill health forced him to retire in 1952.

 

Survived by his wife, and their son and daughter, Snow died of tonsillar neoplasm on 7 June 1953 at his Hendra home and was cremated. Eprapah was renamed the Charles S. Snow Scout Environmental Activities Centre in 1978; a training centre at Samford for scout leaders was also named (1979) after him.

 

SOURCE: Australian Dictionary of Biography

http://adb.anu.edu.au/biography/snow...methurst-11733

 

Re memorial (first Scouting in Queensland)

http://monumentaustralia.org.au/them...smethurst-snow

[Stosh]

Those who don't learn from history...... simply re-write it so it's easier to remember (and on occasional more comfortable to remember).

 

Stosh

[RememberSchiff]

The fault is not in our wiki but in ourselves.

 

Didn't we have a scouting museum somewhere in the US that made no mention of the contributions to scouting of Bill "Green Bar" Hillcourt?

[TAHAWK]

Yes, indeed. For some reason(s), Bill's contribution is downplayed. "Scoutmaster to the World" but not to the U.S. Yet he was the champion of elected Scout leaders, here and elsewhere.

[RememberSchiff]

Frederick Burnham rarely gets credit either.

[Isabel Field]

Thanks Tahawk..you do have the correct person..my uncle Charles Smethurst Snow. His original family home at Kangaroo Point in Brisbane is called 'Leckhampton' and is now a heritage building owned by the Queensland government last time I checked.

[TAHAWK]

Wicki has internal appeal procedures and has "locked" some articles to prevent what amounts to vandalism.