Is God Dead?

[SR540Beaver 116]

Merlyn,

 

They must have some tough Boy Scouts in your neck of the woods. I've seen plenty of Scouts tying knots and providing community service. I've yet to see any around here tying gays to fences and assaulting them. Perhaps a change of location is in order for you.

[Big_Dog 10]

NJ-

nah, I probably wouldn't thump him, but if an instructor was that openly antagonistic, I would probably just change courses. Life is too short to be in an argument all the time!

 

BTW - it's good to hear you think the country is swinging the other way. I believe it's the same thing that liberals think the press has a conservative bent while the conservatives think there's a one-world liberal plot to the rule the world behind the media.

 

I think it's good to stop at times and remember just how good and fun Scouting can be. And NJ, if you're ever in Central Texas, stop by the campfire. We'll discuss life in general over hot cobbler and a big 'ol scoop of Blue Bell ice cream!

 

Truly YiS

bd

[Big_Dog 10]

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[Merlyn_LeRoy 72]

 

SR540beaver, you need to read the papers more. Matthew Shepard was tied to a fence post and killed by two men, one whom (Russell Henderson) was an Eagle Scout.

 

Maybe if members of the Boy Scouts didn't post infantile fantasies about assaulting people when court decisions don't go their way, there would be fewer Eagle Scouts who are murderers, and more Eagle Scouts who would object to committing crimes as a way of settling disputes.

 

But not here, apparently.

[Big_Dog 10]

Merlyn-

 

Do you have something in your life that truly brings you joy? I'm not trying to be mean or sarcastic, I just hope bashing Scouting is not the highlight of your life. Were you ever in Scouts, and if so, did you enjoy some of the experiences?

Hope you have a great weekend...

bd

[Adrianvs 10]

Would you mind if the Marine were a member of the modern religion of self-deification. Since the professor asked for God to knock him off the podium and the Marine felt his "inner light" to be God, he simply followed the request. What about if he were a follower of Compte's "Religion of Humanity?" As part of the collective God, he simply followed the request.

 

I wasn't distraught to find a hypothetical professor in a joke whom asked to be knocked down getting his request filled by proxy. It's easy to make dramatic statements mocking others. Just don't be shocked when the others respond. You see, the professor had just finished the part of his course where he explains that all morals are simply conventions. The joke of the story is that he was shocked to find himself treated like an object after he had just explained to all the students that he simply was one.

 

And I don't expect FOG to start slugging anyone with whom he disagrees. If NJ gets his way, the government will have sent him to the Alaska gulag for his "hate speech" long before he got the chance. You've got to spend the 99% taxation on something. Mass killing has been the atheist and progressive choice for the last 100 years.

 

 

BTW, somebody get the professor an icepack.

[LovetoCamp 9]

I still think it was a funny joke. Did I just get called a bigot for posting that joke?

[Adrianvs 10]

Matthew Shepard's murderers didn't kill him because his views conflicted with their philosophy or theology. They killed him because of rage and hatred from being disgusted by him. It's really not unlike the disgust that some feel towards hot dogs or steaks. It's all below the heart as some of the Greeks might say. Most people can control these feelings of disgust and rage. Some cannot. It happens on both 'sides' of any philosophical or political debate. Just as many research facilities (which damage animals) are bombed as abortion clinics (which kill children). You obviously hear about the latter much more, but that is another issue. Neither are commendable actions and neither should be used to silence the philosophical debates associated with them.

[Merlyn_LeRoy 72]

Adrianvs writes:

Matthew Shepard's murderers didn't kill him because his views conflicted with their philosophy or theology. They killed him because of rage and hatred from being disgusted by him.

 

And the BSA encourages that attitude; they even stated in court that gays were not "morally clean".

Congratulations to the BSA on helping form the attitudes of Russell Henderson.

 

And yes, Trail Pounder, I called you a bigot for posting that joke, just as if you had posted a Jew-baiting joke.

[NJCubScouter 1389]

Adrian says:

 

If NJ gets his way, the government will have sent him to the Alaska gulag for his "hate speech" long before he got the chance.

 

Normally I'd leave this alone since this thread is starting to head into loony-land, but since you choose to refer specifically to me, let me ask you something:

 

What on earth are you talking about?

 

Or, to be more specific:

 

Please quote a statement from me, from any post, that even hints that I would favor sending anyone anywhere (they didn't want to go) simply for making a statement.

 

And since you use the word "gulag," let me ask you a few more questions:

 

Adrian, do you think I'm a Stalinist? Do you think I'm a Communist? What exactly do you think I am?

[NJCubScouter 1389]

Big Dog: Fair enough. Alas, all I can offer to return your hospitality is that our district is having a First Aid Rally tomorrow, so if you were in Central New Jersey you could come by and judge a few dressings or makeshift stretchers or whatever the boys end up having to do.

[Adrianvs 10]

Merl,

 

I stated that it was NOT any philosophical attitude (like the BSA stance) that induced the men to murder. It was primarily a physical "gut-reaction" of disgust. I don't think that you get the real point, however. Just because a member of some group is murdered doesn't mean that the group in question cannot be criticized. Members of every group in history have been killed by opposition and yet the ideas they hold will always be in conflict.

 

 

NJ, I admit that it was just baiting. I assumed that you would support an official atheistic and socialist government and I only have a few historical ones to use as models to determine it would be like. Hopefully, "gulag" will remain a historical term.

If lucky, FOG would only be fined or incarcerated for his "hate speech." The government may choose to invest in "really late term abortions" that might be performed for reasons of "social inconvenience," but I'm sure that the hypothetical government would find better euphemisms than I.

 

Seriously though, I don't have significant reason to think that you are an international socialist. Would it suprise me if you were? Heh heh.. Nor do I have reason to believe that you support "hateful speech" or "hateful ideas" as criminal offenses. Again, would I be surprised? Probably not.

[LovetoCamp 9]

WHATever!!! Hmmmph!!! I have empathy. I'll show my solidarity. My daughter did laundry last week. I got pink underwear too now!

[Merlyn_LeRoy 72]

Adrianvs writes:

I stated that it was NOT any philosophical attitude (like the BSA stance) that induced the men to murder. It was primarily a physical "gut-reaction" of disgust.

 

And, as I stated, the BSA actively encourages such a reaction, and says in court that gays aren't "morally clean."

 

If someone belonged to an organization that said, say, that Jews couldn't be the best kinds of citizens, or that Jews weren't "morally clean," and members of that organization routinely express their disgust for Jews, and a member of that organization kills someone for being Jewish, I'd condemn both the murderer and the organization for encouraging such attitudes. You would apparently hold such an organization totally blameless.

[evmori 11]

Merlyn,

Do you spend this much time going after every group that discriminates? I sure hope so. You spew on this board so much I have to wipe my screen down after each of your posts!

 

Ed Mori

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