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I am pretty sure our District Camporee does not make much of a profit. They are usually pretty small. The council Camporall usually makes at least 5000 dollars profit. The best money making thing in this council is the Haunted Hike. It is a Council event held at the Boy Scout camp open to all scouters and non scouters. Venture Crews run most of it but Boy Scout troops also run events. I worked it last year they make about 10000 profit a year I was amazed! Now if they would just put that money back into the camp or even half of it!

jwmerica Welcome Do not worry about bumping old threads up. This one seems to get bumped up every year or so. Unless one of the moderators says something about bumping up threads do not worry about it. And I really think Old Grey Eagle really loves to see this one bumped. Reviewing this thread whatever happened to eisely?

The original post turned into a kids these days post. So I thought I would do a spin off. I thought that it is our job to develop the scouts into leaders? I really think that we (the adult leaders) are a big part of this issue. If you look at the Boy Scout handbook it says that the PL should be helping his patrol with advancement. . I take this to mean that he is making sure that meetings and outings are geared toward what his patrols needs for advancement. And making sure that they are getting the sign offs done, by reminding his patrol members to get these sign off signed off. Thi

mk9750 IMO the forum lost a very valuable resource when you stopped posting here. I wish you would start posting more, your postings where excellent. We had this discussion in the past and it seemed most posters said that a agnostic could be a member of the BSA even when guided to the website Merlyn brought up. http://www.bsalegal.org/faqs-195.asp Most posters said that it is not an official website or they understood and they where not going to follow it. Good Luck

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I see where you got the seven councils from now, I just have never thought of Morris and Indiana as a suburb of Chicago. And I can tell you that one of those council are not hitting up business for dollars so it is not competing with the other councils.

Beavah I believe you are incorrect when you say "BSA policy and guidelines are that a Badge is awarded for "what a Scout can do, not for what he has done." Can you tell me where I can find this information? I have been reading this and thinking no matter what happens the scout gets the short end of the stick. If he is awarded the badge he may have missed out on doing something that could have changed his thought process on what he wants to do in the future, like what he may take as a major in college or save someones life. The scout got shorted by a counselor. If we say nope you have to

Scouters in Naperville, Barrington, Deerfield and the Northside Are you suggesting that Northeast Illinois Council, Des Plaines Valley Council, Three Fires Council, and 3 other council (I am not sure who the 3 other councils are) should all merge with the Chicago Area Council?

Hey Hey I am a counselor for pulp and paper! Not that I have every counseled a scout for it in the 5 years that I have been a counselor for it!

I use Jiffy mix, 2 packets per 12" dutch oven and follow the instructions on the box.

My wife who registered last year as a leader received it I did not.

We do the once a year Medical forms. The week of the campout or outing, Monday, a sign up sheet is passed around to the patrols they sign if they are going. The patrols prepares a menu and a member of the patrol is selected to purchase the food for the patrol. The patrol pays 10 dollars each to whoever is doing the shopping. When a person has been grubmaster he gets requirement 4b signed off on 1st class. Menus are approved by ASM or SM. Troop has some strict and silly rules about what is and is not allowed to cook or eat.

Fuzzy I am struggling with sometimes the adults cook . I cannot think of a camp out where scouts should not prepare the patrols meals. I feel that once the adults prepare meals the patrol method goes out the window. And the leaders start thinking, well the scouts are going to be busy on the next camp out so we will do the cooking, and the next camp out after that one is a Camporee so we will cook for that one also, in other words it is a slippery slope. Item number 6. They don't get outside once a month I do not thing this is enough! Which is why I included a high adventure once

I will give it a whirl, this one needs more thought BUT to keep this thread going here is my thoughts on for Boy Scouts. 1. Boy lead using the Patrol method Monthly PLC meetings, Twice-yearly PLC Planning meetings, Patrols are not picked by anyone except the scouts in the patrol, EXCEPT New Scout Patrols. Adults can only be heard saying: Have you Asked Your PATROL LEADER. Any troop using the huge carports for dining flys will be automatically excluded from being a Quality Unit. (Unless every patrol has one and is used) 2. Outdoor program At least one High Adventure a year. Cam

I think training should be mandatory, but I think these councils are doing it at the wrong level. I really think the training should be mandatory for the COR. Making training mandatory for CM, SM, or ASM and not the COR is like training someone how to sew a suit, but not train anyone to purchase the material or thread to make the suit.

I think doing nothing would do more harm. You have 2 scouts that came up to you and tell you what happened. Doing the right thing is not easy, these 2 lived up the the scout oath being brave. I do like the idea of a service project, where he can use the time doing the service project to reflect on his actions. I think a SM conference first followed by the service project. I would not bring up any names of who informed on him. What good would this do?

Thanks Merri, I do not believe there is a way to respond to one post. If it was me, I would most likely purchase the campmor pants and use them for campouts. But I would keep the adult leadership informed that sometimes we might want the official pants or shorts, wood badge, NYLT, OA....

Bevah Why thank you, that was my point. I do agree with you up to a point. The BSA does not do anything relating to scouting as Baden-Powell used scouting terms, seems that his idea on scouting was tracking and hiding. The one thing that you have not addressed is the issue of someone using the scouting name and the "public" would not know which group was which. Sometimes you need to protect what is yours.

Merri Are the scouts allowed to wear the official pants or shorts? OR Is the troop mandating that they can only wear the campmor pants?

Kudu The correct analogy is car or automobile is equal to boy. Impala or mustang is equal to scout.

The correct analogy is "What if Chevrolet wanted to trademark the generic terms "car" and "automobile"? Or if Nike wanted to trademark the generic terms "shoe" and "sneaker"? Or if McDonald's wanted to trademark the generic terms "hamburger" and "french fries"? They already have, mustang, impala, civic, special, ..... Which is just like scouts.

Funny you should bring up Ford. They are in the process of stopping all unauthorized used of their trademarks. This is mostly for names like mustang, and Model A for the people selling reproduction parts. Many other car manufactures already have done the same thing, Ferria(sp?) has put many people of of business that has used their name. Edit, the below is from another website which gives a little more info, it is not my writing or thoughts. I was going to give a link to the website but some of the people posting on this subject are a little worked up over there and some comments are n

My prayers will include your wife, OJ, and you.

Softly falls the light of day, While our campfire fades away. Silently each Scout should ask Have I done my daily task? Have I kept my honor bright? Can I guiltless sleep tonight? Have I done and have I dared Everything to be prepared? Listen Lord, oh listen Lord, As I whisper soft and low. Bless my mom and Bless my dad, These are things that they should know. I will keep my honor Bright, The oath and law will be my guide. And mom and dad this you should know, Deep in my heart I love you so. Quietly we join as one, Thanking God for Scout

I believe you are doing it correctly not jumping in and solving the patrol problems, they should be working together to overcome any issues. Not going to the SPL or SM for every little mistake they make. This is a very hard thing to do. But if the adults or SPL solves all of the issues for the patrol what have they learned? I have had many scouts come up to me and say that they left their rain gear at home, I have asked them if they have any large garbage bags in the chuck box and leave it at that. Some walk around all weekend wet and grumpy, it was their choice, on how they packed and wha