johnsch322

I am in California and the LC which I was part of has about 19 million in assets of which under the plan they are giving up about 3 million but that pales in comparison to the insurance companies.

I may be mistaken but the entities that should be praying are the LC's, CO's and insurance companies. Those of us in open states will soon have cases filed in State court (California by end of the year). A BSA Chapter 7 does not include anyone but National.

Please do not speak for survivors. Frankly you are way underqualified and have a bias against survivors views.

Anyone see something ominous or nefarious in the cancellation of the June 17th hearing and rescheduling to July 20th?

No. Just suggested that you acquaint yourself with the past few years of discussions and debates. Is that to much to ask?

I think you should read all the threads relating to the bankruptcy before you ask this question. I believe all aspects of the bankruptcy has been discussed and debated at some point.

So does anyone know what the real value of the camps and property owned by the LC's?

Can you provide a link where Kosnoff is quoted saying that? Obviously not your champion but he is a champion to quite a few.

Why is the answer Kosnoff when he did not write the article nor was he quoted in the article?

Amen to these thoughts. For over 50 years I believed I was the only victim but now I know I am a strong survivor and I have other survivors to lean on when I need them.

I for one am glad that that the scab was ripped off. Now maybe it can be just a scar. I also believe the only way BSA was going to make meaningful changes was for them to go thru this process also. I believe I speak for more survivors that feel this way than don't.

We are a little feisty today LOL. I don't see @ThenNow saying anything in the vein that you are saying. I believe (and if I am wrong correct me) he is saying just that the third party releases are being paid for (does not matter what the relationship is the debtor) for less money than they would have to normally pay. Kind of like a get out of jail card for 10% on the dollar for the whatever should be levied.

Thank you for your response but I would like to ask you where I advocated censorship? Mental health and how it is dealt with is not a cop out. I have a child who suffers from depression and she feels like not enough resources are there for her in High School. I would like also to point out that gun violence does not just kill children but also adults. I am sure that many times more adults die from gun violence than children.

Gun control and the second amendment is a touchy subject for all, not just the BSA. The guns themselves are not the issue rather society as a whole. There is not enough attention put into mental health for one. More needs to be done to identify those who are more prone to mass violence. We need to do more for those with mental health issues even if it means more mental health hospitals. Violent video games have made more young males prone to glorify the mass deaths that incur within the games and take those glorifications into their own reality. Certain musical genres glo

I may be wrong, but I think that the majority of the 83% have been more concerned with the financial aspect of the reorganization and BSA did not enter bankruptcy to get input into Youth Protection. Any youth protection improvements are just a byproduct (though needed) to the BSA program. I am quite sure that the total expenditure out of the over $100 million only a couple percentage went towards crafting new policies.

That may have been me. I never told anyone for 50 years. If no one was told how would the parents know? Much more is known today and I personally know much more as I have come to grips with what happened to me and how the trauma has manifested in my life.

And that is why I said past 10 past 5 and past year. However, an asterisk denoting that most male victims may not come forward for the next 10 to 20 years.

You are correct there is a big difference. Do you think a drug company or any company wants warnings on their product? No never but past actions or current sometimes necessitates such actions. Discussion and ideas can make things better. I know for a fact that survivor members of the YPT committee read these posts and some ideas may be brought forward for incorporation. If I float a solution or a recommendation whether it is something more direct or making parents more aware I might just be part of the solution. Alas your "nuff said" is not part of a solution. There can never be enough s

In the auto industry it is called the NHTSA safety reports (1 to 5 stars) and in the pharmaceutical industry they are called "Pharmacy Auxiliary Labels" (Drug Warnings). I am sure I can find more examples.

I think this is an imperative thought. In the BSA history has taught us there was. I am presuming you were over the age of 18 when you were in the military as I was but a child in the BSA does not get to make his decision to join BSA. He may have a desire to join but it is parents who sign you up yet the victims are the children. Hard statistics based on history should be presented to parents when they go to sign up their children should be given to them including the details of 82,000 claimants in the bankruptcy with the distinct possibility of many more. The rate of incidences in the pa

Both of these are the crux of the issue. Will it work or won't it? The amount of time (20 years or so) is the program worth it to take the risk? As a survivor this is what I wrestle with in forming my pro or anti views. This is why I am on the fence. I first hand know the devastating effects of CSA. I now have contact with many other survivors when just a few years ago I thought I was the only one. I correspond with others who's lives have been more upended than my own and believe there are countless others who no longer dwell on this earth because the pain was more than they could bear t

I feel like I am on a school playground and instead of answering a question I get the question asked back to me. No I do not work with abused kids as a scout leader. Are the kids you work with abused in scouting?

Having the ability to see more than one opinion, good or bad. Do you work with kids who were abused in scouting?

Are you talking about Scouts who were abused in BSA? The gentleman worked in law enforcement before he worked for the BSA. "Experience is the hardest teacher. It gives the test first, then the lesson." Excessive Child Sexual Abuse within the BSA was the test but I do not believe all of the lessons have been learned.

This is why I said you are burying your head in the sand. The former Director of Youth Protection says scouts are not safe. I am sure that he had access to more data then you have had (unless you are in a position above or equivalent to him in BSA national). So why don't you want to believe him? Maybe in your small slice of BSA life you have not come across any issues and that in itself is good however I think your experience is a very small piece of a large pie. Asking me for how much adult experience I have had in BSA is like me asking you for how much experience you have had in b