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Oh, not all. It’s clear as mud, as my dad used to say.

As have many who have done nothing noble, nothing good, nothing pure and nothing of any lasting value to anyone. Many have caused damage to people, property, society and the planet. I choose to recognize this "noble experience," whether others find it worthy or not.

Well, now. I say she is none too happy and ready to snap some slack. I will be popping lots of corn and getting my video screen and Bose headphones ready for action, along with a fresh toothbrush, napping pillow and a change of briefs. Get it? Briefs. I'm here all night and the tip jar is on the Yeti. Well, in the Yeti. Best place for cold, hard cash.

"Shoot for the stars and hit the moon"? As we all do, he know's full well the court will do everything possible to preserve the BSA, however hobbled. Thus, he pushes for 1, misses and gets 2? Heck if I know. Maybe he will chime in here. Mr. TK, enlighten us, bitte.

Way back when I commented that I thought he is quite calculated in his approach to this and potentially very influential. Others thought me a bit off base (or the wall), saying he is essentially just rich, bored and bent on BSA destruction for some underlying, inexplicable hatred. He may be some or all of that, too, but I really think he knows what he's doing.

Yup. Here I am. As I've tried to say, love or hate, this man has represented victims of child sexual abuse against BSA since 1996. That's 25 years. Even though he was "wound down" by 2018, he obviously unwound the winding when the BSA Chapter 11 rumors got serious. People can say all they want about the evils of making 40+% on a contingent basis, cast all the aspersions in the book at attorneys for all the various reasons and question mixed motives until the cows come home. Imagine what he has seen and heard. Hundreds of client victims. Hundreds of negotiations with the BSA and its counsel. Thousands of pages of documents and disclosures, including the years he spent reading, researching and reducing to data sheets the 3200 IVFs he dislodged from BSA. He knows this stuff very, very well. If he has decided it's unredeemable darkness, I give that to him. I've not seen, heard or been witness to what he has. Have any of us? I am not saying his (apparent) endgame is the best for all, because I don't know. I'm just saying let's temper our accusations with fact, history and context.

Good points. I don’t know about such things, but it’s been suggested that the August’ish goal was more based on getting out and “clean” by registration season. That made/makes tons of sense to me. Love to hear expert opinions.

Yup. That was included in my “Act your age...” and reflect the (supposed) dignity of your profession sigh of, “Good grief!”

And, embarrassing. Please grow up. Behave honorably. Stop playing games. You’re supposed to be defending the rights and lives of victims of child sexual abuse, not having a peeing contest in the sandbox while shouting, “I know you are, but what am I?” Good grief.

AIS and TK. Two of interest, I suppose. https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/47fa66fb-180b-411f-80c4-59e56cd1d63d_5923.pdf https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/f26f9981-f41d-42bd-adbd-d7996d12f44f_5924.pdf

I’m sort of responding to this after reading the docs and also just saying how I continue to feel about the process on Day 538+. One of the other things that makes this so gut wrenching for me, speaking for myself as a victim claimant, is it’s almost impossible to discern what is cover fire for my/our cause, what is incoming and what is friendly fire. Not being able to tell who is for me and who’s agin’ makes the churning all the worse. Should I hope the insurers succeed in getting to rummage around in the potentially fraudulent claims and expose some no good attorneys or not? Does what the BSA may be hiding from the insurers matter to me or not? If they get it, will it help or cause harm? If the COs manage to get significant leverage and stall approvals, then what? Is hoping for an AIS smack down purely me wanting to put some bad apples in their place and make attorneys behave honorably or would it advance the cause? What is Mr. T hiding and does it matter one iota...? I do a whole lot better when I don’t have to engage (or even try to monitor) five different fronts in a “jungle warfare” case. It wears me out to no end. I’m not necessarily looking for someone to respond to those points, arguing one way or the other. I’m just laying on the virtual shrink’s sofa and exorcising an exhausted, musty, Monday afternoon exhale.

And, I think it’s critical not to lose sight of a fact that isn’t being discussed here (at this moment). Among the “bogus” claims, the insurers are cloaking their position that 50,000+ Gray Staters are equally invalid on their face. Their definition of the word “bogus” massively diverges from mine. Reference my camel, his nose and this big circus tent.

Yes, and, perhaps, he was abducted by Galactic BSA aliens at the precise moment he was about to become of age and they took him either forward or backward in time (we really don’t know) and did sexual and unspeakable things to him, but the question persists as to whether he was of age in the time/space continuum of galactic travel such that he may or may not have been a minor and we’re unable to locate the Captain’s Log from the craft that took him, though he did manage to snap a selfie with the fairly clear image of the tail numbers...? What is the precise point to all of these posited what if’s? PS - The BSA Galactic Aliens were sponsored by a local NM peyote devotee club and met weekly at their smoke lodge.

I am grateful for this clarification, which was also found in the Ernst memo.

As a matter of principle and constitutional rights, I would seriously consider switching. I love the motive, as stated, but I don't trust said motive any farther than I can toss my truck.

"YAY!" as to trying to address child victimization, BUT huge "ACK!!" as to privacy!! Wow.

Q: Are there examples of the victim claimants' submission forms/claim summaries used by other Great and Powerful wo/men of letters in mass tort bankruptcies?

On a related note, I've asked this before and didn't get any replies. I completely understand if no one here knows the details on this one. If I missed the answer(s), please forgive me and I'd love to be directed to anything posted. I am keen to understand when the counseling reimbursement program started, under what/whose directive, if it was proactively offered or had to be discovered and sought by victims. To drone on, I first gave BSA notice of my abuse more than a decade ago and didn't get a reply, much less an offer of counseling reimbursement. (I do apologize for asking again, but it's all John's fault.)

He lives!! So the SE in my tale of woe had this. Well now.

Ah. Gotcha. The other guys would be best able to update you on that. I can also tell you, as you may have read in my posts, the SE managing this matter knew about the booze and pornography in our Troop. He participated, in fact. How can that be seen as anything other than willing complicity, failure of the duty to warn and effectively accessory to the crime of abuse? He was the dang SE for cripe’s sake. He knew we were being provided those things. In light of the criminality alone, exacerbated by his knowledge that these are elements OF abuse and precursors to illegal sexual contact, he did nothing. Well, other than *Wink wink. Nod nod* I hate that those two boys went through what they did, but finding that file changed my perspective entirely.

Was my post on the ‘73 IVF of any help?

“That canoe trip was amazing until Grampa fell in and drown.” ”Yeah. I know. He ruined everything.”

Easy fix: Do a global search for “employee” and replace it with “agent.” Bam. Liability B.I.N.G.O. Agency is the issue and there’s that in spades. Legally, there’s no question or doubt. Employee was used loosely, I think. Carry on...

I’m not sure who’s using it as an example of a case that was handled poorly, at least not as to my previously noted Phase II. I posted it in response to John asking how these things were handled and reported in the day. His “day” was the 60’s. Mine, the early 70’s. I figured this would work.

This not my case. As I mentioned, this is an IVF I plucked from the online record that was logged in my town and LC. It is very relevant to my case and claim. Still want me to answer? I have no emotional attachment to this case and, I think, have been pretty open and willing to answer any and all questions about my own experience. Thanks.