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Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Um. How do you eat an elephant, class? Let’s all answer in unison, please. On the count of three. 1, 2, 3: One. Bite. At. A. Time. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Yeah. Thanks for the direction. I’m not going to be at all technical, which I guess I never am. Honestly, I don’t see a “good” personal result for many/most of us. Emotionally, this has been a “terrible, horrible, no good and very bad”...year and counting. “Chainsaws and backhoes and nail guns, oh my!” Consolation would be money, BSA exposure and full disclosure, investigations and the non-monetary YPT demands seriously implemented. Oh. And some money. Did I mention money? Little or no money would totally blow. For me, I can’t overstate that for reasons I explained back when. Now that someone mentioned coinage, 50,000+ from closed states will be bitterly fought, IF we have no clear path around the SoL defense. Add to that the questionable ability to force on the insurers all that’s proposed in the RSA/Plan etc. and you end up with that protracted surgery I’ve spoken of so eloquently. My wife has been in the insurance and high level risk management industry for 36 years and she is very dubious about what she’s read and heard via her husband’s attorney and the WSJ. The entire thing is on very shaky legs, in my opinion. Those who came in with a clear shot at the recovery target in state court will fair the best financially, assuming the money is there and the insurers can be made to pay. It’s a bloody mess and you can’t get blood stains out of the carpet. A very important value will be whatever can be done to improve youth protection and the elimination/significant reduction of future abuse. I do not pretend a goose egg is achievable on that ledger. I just don’t. Aim for it, but don’t count on it. Bad people are often very smart people. Good people are often trusting and gullible people. The combination will always yield some measure of unfortunate results. I think what the TCC, Coalition and FCR are trying to do on that score is noble. If it “works” and is implemented longterm, it will be heartening. I also think it could be a model for other organizations. Time will tell. I hope it will be good, have legs and be a template, but my confidence in implementation and/or longevity is not overflowing. I do also like the idea of widespread AG investigations. They are overdue and appropriate. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
The punchline was, “Why are you fighting this so hard?” Which she repeated as he cut her off to do a child’s “But, but, but…MOM!!” She actually ruled for disclosure, but it kind of went wide and now circling with Eisenberg and Coalition. Just said Kosnoff is fully subject to 2019 because “he involved himself in this case.” Confirmed he’s not subject to depo, however. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
David Wilks has some serious Gregory Hines level tap chops. Or not! I am enjoying this drowning effort to fight the Kosnoff Law/AIS 2019 disclosures. Finally, legit comic relief during these hearings. Love, love, love it! -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
In fact, I might email Philip Anker and ask him to raise his hand and enter my digits into the record. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Yeah. Right?!?! WHAT in the H-E double hockey sticks was THAT about. I almost spit out my coffee all over my MacBook. It’s old and I need a new, but knock that off Mr. Buchbinder. I love ya, but ack. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Worth noting he no longer has a law license, per reports and the insurers digging. He is now putting himself forward as a “consultant.” -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Also, please add, do any of you understand how/why either of the firms purport to represent the comprehensive group of AIS clients? I have friends from other AIS firms I know for sure have a goodly batch of clients. It’s been my assumption that those firms have “nominated” someone to speak on behalf of those firms and clients. That said, I’ve not asked them to clarify. We try not to get into any details of their representation, more so general impressions of the circus de jour. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
”Gerard Cicero is an Associate in the Firm's Bankruptcy & Corporate Restructuring Practice Group. He represents tort victims, bondholders, foreign representatives, official and ad hoc committees of creditors and equity interest holders and post-confirmation trustees in both Chapter 11 and 15 cases. Gerard is recognized by The Legal 500 US for Restructuring (including Bankruptcy): Corporate. Prior to joining Brown Rudnick, Gerard served as an intern in the Employment Litigation Department at the New Jersey Office of the Attorney General.” -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Which procedure? Should I repost my surgery warning? (I couldn’t resist.) Happy to lend thoughts if you clarify a bit. Thanks. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
There should’ve been a warning footnote when BSA issued it’s Chapter 11 press release inviting survivors of abuse in Scouting to come forward and be “equitably compensated.” If consulted, I would’ve worded it something like this: BE IT KNOWN BY ONE AND ALL! THE PROCESS YOU ARE CONSIDERING WILL BE LIKE HAVING OPEN HEART SURGERY WITH A CHAINSAW AND BACKHOE. A NAIL GUN WILL BE DEPLOYED TO CLOSE. EXPECT SIGNIFICANT BLEEDING, SWELLING, BRUISING AND SCARRING, ACCOMPANIED BY THE HIGH LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WILL BE NO DISCERNIBLE BENEFIT AFTER SURGERY, IF THERE IS AN AFTER. CHOOSE WISELY... -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Welcome to ZombieLand. Hope you brought your baseball bat. (Nod to Woody H.) -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
YES!! Bam!! -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Give them a bell and see what’s what. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Okay. Whatever. Just joshing ya. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Sounds to me like there are Zombies. Didn’t I hear someone singing, “Ding dong, the Plan is dead”? I know! It’s FrankenPlan! -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
So, what does that mean for the balance of claimants? Ciphering isn’t my forte, but those numbers don’t seem to match. Ain’t nuttin global about that to me. If it is, I guess fifteen and a half thousand of us weren’t properly tethered and got plum spun off the orb. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Please advise as to the presence or absence of Zombies. I’m still wary and will await the “all clear” signal. Do use your flags, if you don’t mind. I’d like to test my memory, even though I hated that merit badge. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
I apologize for being lazy, but my paralegal is on vacation. Do you have ready access to the document links relevant to tomorrow's mud wrestling tournament? Danke sehr. If not, you've been more than gracious with all you have and do provide! -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
I don't recall getting anything at my Court of Honor save for a cake, which my dad made. Oh. I did get some cash from relatives and a twelve pack of Old Style from my fellows. All seriousness aside, I mean messa got nada from the esteemed Troop. (Btw, I don't like the term Unit. Just putting that out there.) -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Ha! Right? I still have my dad’s, but he had such a tiny bean I can’t get it on my big noggin, other than like a yarmulke. (Forgive me if that is in any way disrespectful. Hope not.) -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
This is not me picking yet another nit, rather speaking to others for whom masculinity has never been a place of refuge or a safe place. Maybe I’m alone. I never found it a shadow to step into as a way to avoid exposure. I found it uncomfortable and unnatural, which created a whole other stigma; going against the grain of the expected. I have never been a man’s man, exuding or wanting to exude machismo. I have always been more inclined to deep conversation and emotional vulnerability. I haven’t alway been fully self-disclosing, of course, but that was shame-based and not related to any projected image. There are many reasons those among us have not stepped forward. I grant any and all reasons as valid. But for some, we have torn ourselves inside out for years and paid a whole other price for it. Abandonment. Magnified shame. Further self-condemnation and I could drone on and on. I’ll spare everyone...for now. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
I agree as to all. But, do I need to wear a funny pink hat and ride a bus? I’m phobic on both fronts. Thank you. Back at ya. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
I say again and invite joinders: ”...I have a long memory. I can be strategically patient. I was abused in three states, lived in seven. I have contacts in each. I know people [including in politics and media]. I can raise money. I will fight...” I spoke with CHILDUSA about all of this not too long after the case was filed. They had an astute observation. Paraphrasing, they told me, “Boy Scouts is, and has been historically, buttressed and populated by titans of industry, government and philanthropy. They have been insulated and protected. It’s no mystery why this has gone unchallenged for so long.” I don’t disagree. -
Chapter 11 Announced - Part 4 Revised Plan
ThenNow replied to Eagle1993's topic in Issues & Politics
Honestly, I wouldn't mind mine doing it, but he eschews Twitter in favor of betting on vintage episodes of Hollywood Squares, Who's Line Is It Anyway and the Dating Game. There's an app for that. Jk. But seriously, he's a force. Look how much he's discussed here. Force of nature, legal clout or his wealth and leisure. Maybe all of the above. He's also speaking for and to "his" (someone's?) clients. Having a firebrand isn't bad unless they shoot off their foot and your head with it. Don't ask me to explain the positional physics of that. It just sounded cool. I don't see how his angering or disparaging the "court" (aka, judge) does any harm to his clients at this point. I used to think it harmed them and me, but I've lost my religion. Not generally, but you feel me. Remember, he has a self interest in the outcome and I doubt he would be want to retract the downpayment on the next art collection or that Gulfstream G550. He's a man you love to hate and hate to love. I would take him as my attorney, but my current guy works cheap and would be very sad.