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You made some great points and I appreciate the thought you put into it. Thanks for the info on the layout and composition of the facilities. If, as you think may be the case, these were single rooms, capturing that amount of activity on a single camera still seems suspicious. I think there is more to the story. So, I assume any post mortem assessment to help reduce a repeat performance happens at the camp level? The LC? Who would be doing the review and who will receive the benefit of the “report,” though I’ve heard no one say there are any such documents? Has anyone ever looked at the i

I guess I missed this part. Where did my brain freeze? Better yet, run it by me again. I’ll try to keep my noggin near the Sterno in the meantime.

Yes and I mean that. Now choose one boy whose abuse checks all or most of the boxes for aggravating factors/multipliers. Lay out his story. Take mine, if you’d like. Nearly 7 years’ worth. Again, I agree with the use of the word, but how do we describe my abuse? Robert’s, Life’s, John’s, Eagle1970’s, Bronco’s, AnonEagle’s, 100th Eagle’s, RandomScouter’s...and the other guys speaking up here, those who are listening and all the others of us. What word or words do we use. My point is, there are none. When we find one or a couple, let’s try to do the same for the aftermath. Words fail.

Sir, this is extremely well said. Poetic even, in a very painful “hits the broken thumb squarely” once again kind of way. I am 100% convinced this is the untold story that seldom enters the discussion, here or elsewhere, mainly because it is gruesome and uncomfortable. As I have said, the abuse is the abuse is the abuse. It’s the aftermath. I don’t know how far back you read but we had a nice jousting session after I brought up the term “soul murder” as coined by Leonard Shengold in his heralded book, Soul Murder: The Effects of Childhood Abuse and Neglect (2017). It was curious when I l

I’m quoting myself to further enhance my importance. As an NA old timer likes to say, “Yeah. I’m still a legend in my own mind and I’m still leading man in my favorite action movies. I just don’t believe my commercials no more.” I would so love to be able to do this on my abuser. How did he get to our Troop in the first place? He lived all the way across town, was newly married and fresh out of the army. Why our Troop? He was completely unknown. Didn’t belong to our Parish. Grew up and went to the Catholic school and church across town. Did someone know him? From where? Was he introduced

There are, as is obvious, two systems. Right? One before and one after. I would argue, there must be three. The YPT part, the criminal investigation and the BSA investigation and reporting part. In this abuse context, #2 seems to have been engaged. We don’t know if it can be said to have “worked” until further down the road. In addition to the failure of #1, I’m keen to learn what happens with #3 Or not. How deeply into the backstory of the “means and opportunity” of this abuse will the examination delve, not just by law enforcement? What of all the ancillary human factors that made it p

Is that a new Scouting location? College Dorm High Adventure Base? I don’t recall a YPT or Scout Oath and Law associated with my university experience. As awful as that is, it is not what we’re talking about... Dorm, homes, whatever.

And, I once threw a TicTac into the air and it came down and landed in my buddy’s ear and he had to have emergency surgery because it punctured his eardrum and somehow migrated to his Palatine tonsil before it slid down and blocked his esophagus, having turned sideways. TicTacs are now banned at that camp. Come on. You know what we’re talking about...

I agree with you here, for sure. We have a horribly short attention span and equally poor memory. I think that’s why a movement is needed to make this happen. I think that was MYCVASTORY’s point about the equivalent of a Funny Pink Hat Brigade and mine about getting it down to state and precinct rep level. We often think once we kill the Zombie in front of us, that’s game, set and match. Hello? There are ten more coming around that wrecked bus up yonder. Sorry. I can’t stop with the Zombies. They are just so universally applicable.

You have made the point beautifully. Let’s find out. Where are the highest risks and where less so? What situations are the most dangerous and put kids at the most risk? Why not choose a scenario that is ripe and ready? Start with a thorough examination of BSA. See who, what, where, when, why and how in the world all of this happened. Based on what we learn, we’ll know more about what to do and what not to do. Then, we do it again with another context and play it forward...

I’m with ya. 2 Deep and YPT don’t require someone to tail a “chaperone” while he sets up cameras. Back to those devious, evil people. Did he plan or orchestrate the sexual activities and physical abuse, too? Where does this go? Ack. I’m incredibly curious how stuff like this lands on the ears, minds and heart of Scouting parents, present and near future. Is it mentioned or considered? Discussed? Or, it’s a matter of, “Wow, but NO WAY that would EVER happen at OUR camp...”?

There is only so much head shaking I can do before my brains dribble out my ears. Yeah. Awful and so gruesomely poignant for you. I am truly sorry. I shared the previously posted news clip with friends and family last night. I didn’t see the details and had no idea of the connection to you, of course. Good grief. I’ll join you in the “no words” ante room.

Related to this, I’ve been wondering if a collaborative effort could be forged between CHILDUSA and BSA survivors coming out of this process. We have “representatives” in every state and territory, and then, scattered throughout each. We would create a powerful voice and contingent that would be hard to ignore. That effort would likely draw out others to become faces and voices, as well. I don’t mean as a banner of BSA BAD, rather to bring the issue forward in a way that doesn’t turn on one case, one organization or one celebrity’s story. I’ve often wondered why issues like CSA and child explo

Thanks. But why drag it out like that? What was gained if they would inevitably be forced to make disclosures? Well, even if it wasn’t inevitable. This is the stuff that makes the case look even more terrible than it is. These are attorneys for the victims for gosh sakes. Why in the world should they need to hide anything if they’re on the up and up? It may be totally misplaced, but it baffles and disgusts me. Lots of disgust to go around of late.

I can barely remember the year and know little to nothing about 2019 disclosures, so back to the judge’s punchline. Why did they fight this so hard? What, prey tell, might be behind curtain number three where Carol Merrill is standing? Inquiring minds want to know. What are they afraid of, if one can speculate? As for me, I’m afraid the info will be sealed and I’ll be left on the cliff just dangling here.

Thanks for telling us. So, you’re able to speak with him directly? That’s great compared to some of the other reports we’ve heard. If it’s okay, and you may have said this, were you connected to him via the ad campaign?

You beat me to it. I was in the middle of editing my post to add: PS - I look at it as a certified audit. “Here. Come on it. We have nothing to hide. Please poke around and let us know what you find. We are an open book.” And, yes, I welcome that in my life. Good, bad and ugly. Will those disclosures and findings be the undoing? I don’t know. Would inviting the risk to find out be the Scout-like, “trustworthy, loyal, helpful...” and honorable thing to do. Without question.

Thanks. I thought it most clever, indeed. It doesn’t dodge it at all. Not in the least. This is not a philosophical or theological conversation. Foundationally, yes, but practically and logistically that wrangle is completely meaningless without strategic and tactical implementation. I think, and it’s only my perspective but you have reinforced my view many times, you just hate the idea of the BSA being the first to get the proverbial bite. Do you start solving for and curing a disease by treating every carrier simultaneously? Something goes under the microscope. As for me and my house, I

Um. How do you eat an elephant, class? Let’s all answer in unison, please. On the count of three. 1, 2, 3: One. Bite. At. A. Time.

Yeah. Thanks for the direction. I’m not going to be at all technical, which I guess I never am. Honestly, I don’t see a “good” personal result for many/most of us. Emotionally, this has been a “terrible, horrible, no good and very bad”...year and counting. “Chainsaws and backhoes and nail guns, oh my!” Consolation would be money, BSA exposure and full disclosure, investigations and the non-monetary YPT demands seriously implemented. Oh. And some money. Did I mention money? Little or no money would totally blow. For me, I can’t overstate that for reasons I explained back when. Now th

The punchline was, “Why are you fighting this so hard?” Which she repeated as he cut her off to do a child’s “But, but, but…MOM!!” She actually ruled for disclosure, but it kind of went wide and now circling with Eisenberg and Coalition. Just said Kosnoff is fully subject to 2019 because “he involved himself in this case.” Confirmed he’s not subject to depo, however.

David Wilks has some serious Gregory Hines level tap chops. Or not! I am enjoying this drowning effort to fight the Kosnoff Law/AIS 2019 disclosures. Finally, legit comic relief during these hearings. Love, love, love it!

In fact, I might email Philip Anker and ask him to raise his hand and enter my digits into the record.

Yeah. Right?!?! WHAT in the H-E double hockey sticks was THAT about. I almost spit out my coffee all over my MacBook. It’s old and I need a new, but knock that off Mr. Buchbinder. I love ya, but ack.

Worth noting he no longer has a law license, per reports and the insurers digging. He is now putting himself forward as a “consultant.”