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Sorry sir, I am far to simple to understand your prose. Though I have no doubt it is well intended. 1) At the time of that posting, the debate was over the release of statistics; 2) Prior to that, IV Files and names were being bludgeoned, er, discussed and whipped to a pulp (beating a dead horse); 3) Said items in #2, above, were so trampled upon by so many words that they were starting to smell, attracting birds that pick clean dead carcasses; 4) I was thinking the debate over releasing IV Files and names would “circle back,” once the metaphoric activities in #3 had

Moderators: You know I LOVE to banter, bloviate and blather, but I think we are getting nowhere (slowly) and some are reacting so quickly that substantive comments by some who are being thoughtful (even agreeing) are getting buried under the frenzy. I like it, but how to reign it in a smidgeon? Send it to a tag-team cage match thread? I think there’s a lot of “let’s wait and see” that we need to agree to adopt. Just me. I want to hear more about the 72 hour food drop experience. I’m intrigued.

Again, where is my, “You missed the joke, my brother,” emoji?

What do you mean by, “showers/showering at summer camp”?

My sister was an ELL teacher to international students of various countries of origin. She heard things she’d never heard and never wanted to hear, and she’s two years older than I am. As a Catholic school product, we had a course and book entitled, Becoming A Person. We had an even more detailed marital intimacy course in Catholic prep school. If you didn’t talk with friends, you probably didn’t understand the material and the classes would have been worse for it. I’m sure there’s a line somewhere, but I wouldn’t want to be the one asked to carve it into granite.

Having spent about 8.5 years in Scouting - I was a disgruntled and unchallenged Cub, etc. and ditched it early on until I could join Boy Scouts. I could not abide a Den Mother. Sorry - I can’t image the absence of the Patrol Method. This has nothing to do with my thoughts and commentary on YPT, just the nature of Scouting for me. I, too, am keen to see the data on this 50/50 assertion. Not saying I don’t buy it, but all of the info needs to be made available by someone. Back to Mr. Johnson’s Mr. Anderson, I’m wondering if MJ has a file or ten full of stuff on which he needed legal cover prior

I've been able to track down annual charter agreements from the 1920s and 1950s just via google. I'm sure a circa 1970 charter agreement is sitting on some shelf in BSA HQ or in some filing cabinet somewhere. My abuse started in ‘72 and ended when I left in ‘79. I’m just looking for some of the lingo about CO role and responsibilities. I have some, but don’t want to misstate, misstep, misfire or misrepresent.

Who be “we”? You got a mouse in yer pocket? (Nod to my Gramps.) But seriously folks, do you mean Scouters, the general public, this forum, survivors, the bankruptcy mediation parties, Scouts and Scouting parents or…? “Help, Mr. Wizard! Stop this crazy thing…!!”

Based on how things were couched in that presser, nothing is coming out until everyone is under oath in one form or another. He has an attorney. They have oodles of attorneys. No blanks being filled in without them being read in and bills being rung up.

Bam. Thank you, Miracle Max! You’re the man. You win a nice MLT on the house!

Lest we skip over this simple five word line, there is clearly more to be revealed. I, for one, am most intrigued, even while mostly dead. Is “Mr. Anderson” merely his shield or also his sword. Hmmm.... I have no clue how you guys put up with this for years and years and years on end. I know. I know. Love for kids and love of Scouting, but good Lord.

See, for reference, the brilliant note by the ancient philosopher that the failure of 🥕 🥕 🥕 leads one to search for and deploy big sticks.

Do you take it off to make your dinner and re-don it once it cools? Charred side in or out? Inquiring minds...

With permission: Former Boy Scouts’ Head of Abuse Prevention Says Group Is Still Unsafe for Kids Michael Johnson’s accusations come as the Boy Scouts solicit votes for a bankruptcy settlement from more than 82,200 men over childhood sexual abuse Michael Johnson, former youth protection director of the Boy Scouts of America, said the group remains a ‘high-risk organization for child sexual abuse.’ Mr. Johnson held his post for over 10 years. Soma Biswas Updated Oct. 12, 2021 6:06 pm ET The former youth protection director of the Boy Scouts of America accused the or

What was the IVF entry on him? Did BSA create it on their own initiative subsequent to the initial conviction? Upon hearing the charges? Was the arrest in any way related to BSA? I’m not poking, just asking because a better understanding of the facts will help me ponder and respond. Or, ponder and don’t respond, just hit one of those little buttons of which I’m glad someone else noted there are far too few to cover the range of emotions and reactions evoked by posts on this forum. Anyway...

I hear that and I agree. For me, I had no idea there was a current or former Director of Youth Protection (or YPT for that matter until late 2019). During the live feed viewing of his remarks, all I could take in from Mr MJ, through my tears, was someone (anyone) who is, was or had been officially part of BSA National saying they are “sorry” and “we failed you…I failed you.” If BSA leaders knew the power and impact that had/has, they would have at least gone to acting classes to up gin up some tears before the 2.18.2020 announcement. Their attorneys would’ve benefited their case by having a mo

We had a very lively exchange on the topic of regular old Murder v. “Soul Murder” back in the good ol’ days on the forum. How much child sexual predation lacks premeditation? Not much. Is the murder of a soul left to fester within the victim any less murderous? When I used the term “soul murder” (not of my coinage), I was immediately rebuffed with the comment, “show me the body.” To which I said, “I have the body right here. I’ve been dragging it around with me for 50 years.” Premeditated child sexual abuse is soul murder in the first degree, and there are lesser degrees of soul murder followi

I’ve asked this before and will try again, since COs are implicated in all of this. Does anyone have a copy or substantive excerpts from the 1970’s agreements?

I’ve refrained from reciting that which has percolated through my brain for the last 20+ years. There are those in my inner circle who don’t know or care what “Scout-like” is, means or implies. They have their own ideas about justice. I don’t advocate what that entails and have quelled the conversations around it. There will be a reckoning, however. When and what it looks like I don’t know. I may never see it this side of the dirt nap.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/former-employee-says-boy-scouts-of-america-is-safer-but-not-for-kids/ar-AAPr1Lj

A guy’s gotta have a dream. I may have to settle for all his assets, including his home, which I will bulldoze and replace with a monument and meditation garden dedicated to abused scouts.

I have an idea! Join us in state by state SoL reform by passing Victims RIghts Acts, to include criminal SoLs. That’s how we get them. I’m locked and loaded and waiting for the day. Maybe then he’ll take that photo of 13 year old me off his Fb page.

Sorry. Yes. I was referring to the previous comments which precipitated my comments which precipitated his comments prior to me precipitating your comments. I’m sure I should’ve quoted someone else or some other post. There’s a lot of precipitation on my screen and I misplaced my squeegee. Things are hazy.

So, until it’s fully known, I recommend no one infer or imply he’s a coward or ineffectual as a leader.

Some here have gone on and on about threats to leadership being the reason names at certain levels (boards, I recall) are not available to the public and the troops (small ‘t’) on the ground. Did you hear his comment about his family? Does he look to be the sort who is easily cowed, pushed around or running for the really big guys to protect him? I want to know more about that somewhat thrown away line. Was he referring to within the organization or without? Both?