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Is that the 72 hour dealio?

https://www.wave3.com/prnewswire/2021/10/22/reject-vote-no-plan-say-boy-scouts-america-sexual-abuse-survivors/

Interested to hear if he had any history. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyfreeman.com/2021/10/20/rip-van-winkle-council-scout-leader-charged-with-periodic-sexual-conduct-with-juvenile/amp/

I’m not the arbiter of this, but I’ll note Mr. Kosnoff tweets with attribution to this forum. TCC town hall promotion is a public service. You can ask/post anything you want during their town crier events via Q&A, their site or email address. A guy I know found this in his email inbox. Curious. Greetings, You are receiving this message because you submitted a question to the Coalition during one of our recent Update Meetings. We were not able to respond to every question during the meetings. If we did not respond to your questions or we did not address them during the live presentation, please contact us at this address (BSACoalition@brownrudnick.com) to let us know how we can help. We will do our very best to respond promptly. Please also check out the Coalition’s website, www.ScoutingAbuseSurvivors.com. Sample documents and answers to frequently asked questions are provided on the site. Thank you for your support of the Coalition and survivors of abuse. Sincerely, The Coalition of Abused Attorneys for Payoff [name changed to implicate the guilty]

Note on this from the world of psychology and physiology, which we all pretty much know from our own study and my rants. Fear is an emotion/state that is a reaction to a threat, real or perceived. It typically produces self-protective responses, including increased flow of adrenaline and cortisol. Some of us fight. Some freeze. Some flee. And, many of us forget. When fear is used to intimidate someone toward danger, rather than away from it, this on its own fits squarely within the definition of abuse. If one lies to convince, lures with promises and instills fear to motivate, that is some bad juju right there. Let the fear mongers beware. Escaping into danger. I might write a play by that title. By way of true scholars: “The main function of fear and anxiety is to act as a signal of danger, threat, or motivational conflict, and to trigger appropriate adaptive responses…Ethologists define fear as a motivational state aroused by specific stimuli that give rise to defensive behavior or escape.” https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181681/#__sec1title

I encourage all to go to this post on YouTube and leave your comments.

Oops. I forgot. Seriously. Please insert “Hoover” for all such references. If I could do a search and replace, I would. Sorry.

FYI! I think Mr. TK has noted this, but from an official Forum poster. Read this and weep, Mr. Rothweiler!! Just heard from a little birdie of my same type of feather that… Thursday's TCC Town Hall.... will… feature Michael Johnson taking questions from John Humphrey and Dr. Kennedy to further elucidate how ridiculously WEAK the youth protection part of this plan is. Ken & Brownie’s one seat on the board plan of salvation is pointless, meaningless and no measure of redress. Neither this plan nor that celebrated non-Phoenix will stop the abuse. Tune in all ye who hear my voice, er, digital conveyance!!

Ok. So, as I have seen and expect from future town halls hosted by the TCC and Coalition of Abused Attorneys for Payoff, I think these are some keys: 1) apathy from some, perhaps many, who just don’t vote; 2) the potentially significant number who grab the $3500 exit ramp and take the Snagglepuss path to resolution, the calculation of which the judge is likely to reduce by some factor; 3) the high motivation to vote “Hey’ll NO!” by the likes of us survivors on this forum (and Kosnoffites); 4) the ongoing absurdity of the Ken & Co. Late Show, which I believe is bombing BIG TIME. In my analysis watching and taking my glorious notes, that fuse was, is and will be lit by the contrived emotion and repeated fabrication of ill-motive and complacency by the TCC. Messa would bet the (“Hey’ll NO!” vote) ratings will likely bear it out; and 5) an increasing number of survivors will watch The TCC Is Me, where we get the straight skinny, fire breathing from the Stang and the sort of vulnerability and commitment to fight for ALL BSA SURVIVORS, as displayed by John and Dr. Kennedy last night. (Those very real tears and moment of clear anguish by Dr. K is very attractive (in the literal sense) and compelling for us. When I hear and see stuff like that, I am even more locked-in to believe those guys and track with their recommendation. Greater future attendance will translate to more “Hey’ll NO!”. Also, if the media does what I hope they do (and have inklings they will), there will be a new clarion from articulate survivor voices popping out of our bunkers and getting fair coverage. That serves to add to our numbers and additional votes for the good guys. This is the thinking swirling around in my little brain, anywho. I predict caviar tears will fall and champaign dreams will turn into nightmares. So say we all? (Nod to Battlestar Galactica.)

Is there a TDP-type claims matrix in the case? I’m none too familiar with the case. As in, who gets how much and based on what calculus? Or, is it Evie Stevie? Also, is the insurance portion an established contribution, ala Hartford’s turd or TBD as to hoped for funding?

I think that shoulda been an “are,” but at this point, since I can’t edit, it is what it is. Which is, such as it is, an “is.”

Anyone have info on how to watch this presser? Sorry. I put this over on the other bobbin when it shoulda been here. My bad. Send me to the wood shed... Follow up from the AR press conference. Just skimmed through this. Oh, the irony. The Coalition is shielding itself behind an anon Eagle Scout who makes his case for the future of Scouting. BSA is shielding itself behind the Coalition. “See, they represent all these survivors and they like it!” Do “they”? I don’t think so. Not even the Coalition really knows who their “they” is, do they? https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/21/as-sex-abuse-victims-consider-a-settlement-boy-scouts-of-america-weighs-in https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/20/some-arkansas-victims-of-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-scoff-at-what-they-see-as-an-insufficient-settlement-offer

Yes. I think critical to this point is the examples given by The Stang (who was on fire, btw). One, the MN Diocese where competing plans didn’t get approved and they immediately proceeded to make a deal more favorable to the survivors. Did they go 7? No. Better deal for survivors. Point made and taken. And, two, BSA struck a desperate turd of a deal with The Hartford, later discovered it was an albatross, tried to bail, the judge said no, and in the cross-fire The Hartford saw just how despised the deal was. Result? They miraculously came up with more money. And quickly. Did they go to court and draw out the process further? No. Better deal for survivors. Well, “better” is relative since “you can’t polish a turd.” Point made and taken. Amazing how this works, ain’t it? The better deal for survivors part, I mean, not the turd polishing. Don’t think to much about that because it’s pretty disturbing, as is appropriate for The Hartford’s sickeningly “sweet” deal.

Follow up from the AR press conference. Just skimmed through this. Oh, the irony. The Coalition is shielding itself behind an anon Eagle Scout who makes his case for the future of Scouting. BSA is shielding itself behind the Coalition. “See, they represent all these survivors and they like it!” Do “they”? I don’t think so. Not even the Coalition really knows who their “they” is, do they? https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/21/as-sex-abuse-victims-consider-a-settlement-boy-scouts-of-america-weighs-in https://arktimes.com/arkansas-blog/2021/10/20/some-arkansas-victims-of-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-scoff-at-what-they-see-as-an-insufficient-settlement-offer

Hasn't that train left the station??? 😜 Yes, and it left in a hurry.

And that’s, “the rest of the story.” Maybe that is the story. Also, my wife, with all her years and experience in insurance and risk management, often tells me she wants a number and she wants certainty. How much cover, how much reserve, how likely and strong is the claim and the batch (if applicable), and when do we expect this to be determined. That has great value to the insurers. I’m a no-nothin, so I can’t say what it’s worth to them here, but a lot more than Peter Anker is letting on.

We’ve looked at that. I believe he was asking for the quick and dirty math (the only brand I do) after breaking out the 58,000 odd “time-barred”, tossing each $3500 and having the balance of fellas divide the kitty evenly. I believe... I’m not even sure of the number of closed state claims, but I use that number in my little brain. Why? Because it stuck there after being slung from a now unknown source. (I tink the number he seeks is baked into the iconic, pop cultural question referenced above.)

That’s the $65,000 question, I believe.

As a legal mind, I think what you are saying is it has no probative value. It has value, just as a Doe child sexual abuse complaint must be given the benefit of the doubt (though a much higher bar to file a case...I know. We don’t need to run that rabbit.) As to whether it sways or influences you on the truth and veracity of the statement, that’s a different matter. My point in highlighting it was to point out the ridiculously transparent (and strategically foolish) move to forward someone who is anon, banging the BSA drum SO LOUDLY and then slot him as lead-off in your survivor testimonies. Their slip is showing, if you will. That one “oops!” by the Coalition of Abused Attorneys for Payoff laid bare the desperation in their plea and their enmeshment with BSA for their own financial gain. IMNSHO, of course.

Uh huh. Mess-R-Us. Bring a bib and a splat mat.

Anyone have info on how to watch this presser?

No. Apologies. “You” was meant to be a generic reference. If “you” please and prefer: “If one doesn’t get it, one never will.” One size fits all…”if the shoe fits.” As a preacher once said, if you throw a stone (convicting message) into a pack of dogs, the one who whelps got hit. NOT saying that’s you. Further, my statement is 100% accurate. Emotional understanding and empathy are either learned through exposure and/or personal experience with deep pain or challenges, or innate. Some are, some ain’t. Some can, some cain’t. That’s all I’m saying. So, does one get it? That is the question asked purely rhetorically, of course.

Does that mean she will act with alacrity? David Molton called and asked me.

I think I answered this with flourish during and after Michael Johnson’s statement at the press conference, but I’ll run it back. What Mr. Johnson DID, as a critical and even more valuable addition to what he said, demonstrated what a heartfelt apology is. It’s human. It has skin on it. It sheds tears. It shows remorse and grief and sorrow and empathy. It is not a press release or published interview or newsletter. That’s what did not happen and we doubt ever will. If you don’t get it, you probably won’t. The next time you very deeply hurt someone for whom you profess deep love, commitment and dedication write a note in the daily Gazette for them to find. Don’t ever say anything that exhibits vulnerability or contrition live and in person. Ouch.

Thanks. Yes. I hope my post did not read as insinuating that I questioned his existence, experience of veracity. I tried to make that clear when I apologized, should he be on this forum. My only point was to highlight (what I see) as the glaring message being sent by using that testimony as the lead off hitter on the Coalition site.