CynicalScouter

Do you have any documents or anything to show this is happening at this point? Rumors don't help.

I agree, but I can see that change going in multiple different ways. 1) Independent autonomous units. Each unit (or group) has to be its own 501(c)(3), etc. There is no CO. There is no sponsor. That's the most extreme. 2) CO's become "sponsors" that allow facilities access for free or no cost. The Girl Scouts model, but with some modifications. 3) Classic model. 4) Split squad: units are allowed to pick from any of these. This would perhaps be the worst case scenario because now you've got multiple different legal, financial, and management structures operating. The legal r

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My problem with this is that as of right now it is simply rumor and speculation. Do you have anything to show that in fact this "Second option" is coming or is here? What you are suggesting is an overturning of a BSA system that dates back at least 80 years to the James West days.

At last count, almost 1000 UMC had filed claims against BSA National as part of the bankruptcy.

Worth noting: according to the original time table the NEC was suppose to approve action steps in August and the plan executed starting then. Has anyone, ever, heard a single word yet about a) what the NEC approved action steps are and b) what the time table is? Or are we just going to have more things hidden until the next staffer/volunteer has to leak?

Thanks. This is all happy talk PR. We've gotten infinitely more information from leaked documents/slides than anything. Which is sad.

It depends on if there are such waves in 2021. The point of the bankruptcy is that there won't be any future claims against National and the participating Councils for actions prior to 2019 or 2020. That just leaves the COs who will argue that they are covered by insurance from National and/or the Council.

I would simply note that the latest iteration of the BSA charter and rules/regs made some...interesting changes to the unit asset provision upon unit dissolution. RULES AND REGULATIONS OF THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA June 2018 revisions and current September 2020 Compare the above to the 2007 version

I also note that the are going to pull the chain on unauthorized fundraising.

The new CO agreement released by national is a game changer. New form released November 23: https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/membership/pdf/524-182_web.pdf Old form: https://filestore.scouting.org/filestore/pdf/524-182WB.pdf EDIT: As for "imminent", it would have to be within days or maybe a week or two in order to make the December 31 deadlines for recharter

Colonial Virginia Council was within 48 hours of bankruptcy and was forced to give up their camp AND headquarters after massive embezzlement by their S.E. Did National lift a finger? Nope. https://www.dailypress.com/news/gloucester/dp-nws-mid-boy-scouts-camp-closing-20160117-story.html

And what has come out has only come out as leaks from folks on here and reddit. And as noted, they even removed the list of board members from their annual reports. How much confidence are we suppose to have when so much is being hidden?

Update: BSA National USED to list the NEC and NEB in their annual reports from 2012 (at least) to 2016 https://www.scouting.org/about/annual-report/ It was in a section called National Officers, Executive Board, and Advisory Council in the back of the annual report. They stopped publishing it in 2017. I wonder why? Well, no. I don't wonder at all.

The point is that every other major not-for-profit and/or service organization I know of puts the name of their board in their annual report. BSA apparently does not AND goes out of its way to not identify the board on their website. Girl Scouts has an entire page dedicated to their board. https://www.girlscouts.org/en/about-girl-scouts/our-leadership/national-board.html Boys/Girls Club? Ditto. https://www.bgca.org/about-us/board-of-governors And on and on. BSA is hiding from any scrutiny. Any wonder why?

I agree. There's no way to know who these people are. The only think I could think of and I think it worked is the IRS 990 forms which by law have to include the NEB. https://i9peu1ikn3a16vg4e45rqi17-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2019BSA_Form990_publicdisclosure-1.pdf I won't list the names but they can be found at that link. So as a cross-reference I took one NEB name. Other than that 990 form, this last name appears NOWHERE on scouting.org. So I thought sure, maybe it is on scoutingwire.org. Nope. I even ran a google search. Nope. There

You'd be surprised. For a good many people "diversity" and "equity" translates into "oppress white people." While OVERALL the nation is more accepting of diversity, there is a very large segment that rejects it. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/10/01/americans-are-more-positive-about-the-long-term-rise-in-u-s-racial-and-ethnic-diversity-than-in-2016/ Moreover, the question will be how it is delivered. Ask some folks and they are prepared for this to turn into some kind of Maoist forced struggle sessions where white, male scouts are told to feel guilty for their tr

My point is that going back to some "golden age" (Pick a date here. 1960?) and replicating that program won't work because that was a program for a different time. You literally cannot (legally) do some of the things that were permitted in 1960. In other words, if you simply took the Fifth Edition of the Scoutmaster's Handbook (1960) and the Sixth Edition of Boy Scout Handbook (also 1960) and said "do this" it wouldn't work. We aren't the nation we were in 1960. Offering up that 1960 program today would not work.

I think it is an interesting exercise but I would put it this way. As PACAN noted Why the decline? There's a lot of internal pointing that there were programmatic failures and that BSA National caused its own downfall. I also want to suggest something else: BSA Scouting has run its course, was created and functional of a certain time and place that no longer exists, and that it will shamble on a husk NOT because of anything BSA did internally but because the environment changed. In other words, the "crisis" in Boy Scouts of America was it was designed, shaped, built, premised

Proposed standards for councils now out.

Posted to reddit just now. This is just. Wow. BSA Council Basic Standards •Adhere to brand standards •Adhere to rules, regulations, and policies of BSA •Current on national fees •Council governed by volunteers •Provide programs consistent with BSA Guidelines Council Performance Standards Charter The council performance standards committee identified and recommended following items to measure: •Youth Safety –98% Youth Protection Training •Youth Market Share –2% •Youth Retention –62% •Financial Sustainability –minimum of three months

Boo. Hiss. Boo. But if I had to do a running sum I believe my last estimate was 850 Methodist Churches and organizations that have filed claims as of around Friday 11/6.

With the deadline approaching, I'll do daily updates to the claims docket. So far: Date Total Claims Methodist Monday, November 2, 2020 40 40 Tuesday, November 3, 2020 67 54 Wednesday, November 4, 2020 113 43 Thursday, November 5, 2020 81 68 Friday, November 6, 2020 26 26

My troop did a Webelos/AoL event recently. We had the parents to the side and let the Scouts led the Cubs. The adults talked and we showed the Troop plan: our unit hikes or camps at least 1 if not 2 a month every month but December where we do a rock climbing lock in. The Cub parents were amazed. "Where do you get the time for rank advancement?" they asked. And as a former Den Leader I got that. Cubs is so totally focused or can be focused on "this week/weeks is this adventure or that adventure". When we explained that the rank advancement comes automatically with the outdoor activities t

This just came in from our Region and Area Advancement chairs: