InquisitiveScouter

Setting up tents at an Ordeal weekend, no... But working on conservation related projects at a Scout camp? Sure! That is a benefit to everyone outside the confines of the Scout camp. Planting trees at your Scout camp for a reforestation project, you would not count? Even though something like that would count for the Distinguished Conservation Service Award?

The hours must have been done while registered as a member of the BSA. Other than that, no problem double, triple, quadruple counting... Yes, quadruple... I have counted hours for a Scout simultaneously for Star rank, 50-miler award, Historic Trails award, and National Park Service Scout Ranger Award.

Atheists. Mike drop.

Almost half way there already!!

I do not employ FAQ when applying rules.... If it is that important, write it into the rule...

Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes... Any time a company hires someone because they are in a certain group, they violate Title VII of the Civil Rights Act - which prohibits employment discrimination on the basis of: sex (including sexual orientation / gender identity) • race • religion/creed • color • national origin DEI initiatives around the country seek to add people to the workforce BECAUSE they are members of certain classes. That is, a company looks at its workforce and sees low numbers of women, so they specifically tell their HR they have to hire a woman. This is illegal. A company looks at its workforce and sees low numbers of Hispanics, so they specifically tell their HR they have to hire someone who is Hispanic. This is illegal. And this is happening everywhere. And you see the number of lawsuits against these practices rising. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/careers/2023/12/20/dei-reverse-discrimination-lawsuits-increase-woke/71923487007/

"High Adventure" is whatever your Scouts say it is 😜 Backpacking by itself is not. But backpacking 15 miles over a weekend on the Appalachian Trail (AT) might be HA for your 13 year old's who are new to the experience. It might have to be backpacking 50 miles on the AT over 5 days and four nights for your older Scouts to say it is HA. If your Scouts want a High Adventure experience, let them help define what it means to them.

They really oughta be doing both 😜

OK, but I do not understand why that should matter... In fact, why should the council be trying to raise money only from families and youth? I guess that does beg the further question: Is this only type of fundraiser this council is doing? Ours does a Farm-to-Table event that serves alcohol. Purchase a plate or a table. Big fundraiser... not marketed to families, and definitely not for youth... But, our council does other fundraisers that are youth and/or family oriented.

Why?

Great! So, it sounds like he knew his sexuality didn't matter one whit to his job performance, so he didn't flaunt it. Kudos to him. That is (I think) the real point the OP was making... while DEI may be getting employees from more walks of life, it is not expanding the pool of talent. The examples he cited (and you can find multitudes more) are showing that the implementation has gone badly... to the detriment of many organizations, because talent standards are lowered, often to the point of allowing unethical behavior, and, therefore, unfortunately bolster the perpetuation of stereotypes. (which, ironically, it set out to try to help do away with...) I agree with your underlying position that it is not a negative, if merit is the true measure. Concur. The double-edged sword here is that, by segregating out groups for special treatment or recognition, DEI programs do, in fact, push people out.

The hidden message is that if you are not in one of those groups, you do not matter. All Lives Matter 😜

And that isn't "participants"... that's a website for employees...

LOL, no... and btw, has it worked?

When I first met our new SE, I asked him, "What is your biggest headache?" He answered, "When volunteers put on a uniform and think they know more than professionals." We changed the subject to other matters, and I observed him over the next few months. His actions confirmed the attitude. Our SE has a disdain for volunteers who have been in this council and active in Scouting for decades. (I have only been here a relatively short time.) The people he treats treats well? Donors $$ I have asked... most of those seasoned Scouters feel the same way about the SE. Not a great basis for a relationship... And most of them DO know more than any of our professionals.

Check out the "WORKFORCE RESOURCE GROUPS" https://www.scouting.org/about/diversity-equity-inclusion/ And ask yourself, what is the hidden message?

Agreed, because G2SS specifically prohibits MBCs in that role, as that is a District/Council role, versus a unit role...

Got it. Yes, all on the overnighter must be registered... The guidance (for the benefit of others) says this: "All adults staying overnight in connection with a Scouting activity must be currently registered as an adult volunteer or an adult program participant. Adult volunteers must register in the position(s) they are serving in." So, this gives you WIDE latitude, I think, because it is still quite vague. But, if you have two adults registered in the position they are serving in, then any other adults, registered in any capacity, should be fine. (Except those who are MBC-only, as they are explicitly prohibited.) So, some head-scratching questions with this loosey-goosey approach, for instance: 1) Could two 21-year old Unit Scouter Reserves serve as adult leadership for an overnight camping trip? As currently written, I say yes, if they are trained (YPT is the only requirement for them), and one of them has current Hazardous Weather training IAW G2SS. 2) Could two Committee Members serve as adult leadership for an overnight trip? Again, yes, as long as one of them has Hazardous Weather. 3) Could two District Committee members serve? No, because they are registered at the District level, and the overnight camp is a unit-level activity. That is, they are not "registered in the role".

If they say "yes", then why would a Merit Badge Counselor not fit the bill?? OR, if you have two "unit" registered leaders, could they have an MBC accompany them (say, on an overnight canoe trip to help teach and evaluate Canoeing Merit Badge), as long as the MBC is in that role versus in the role of adult supervision?? Isn't that what happens at council or national treks? (The Philmont Ranger, or council trek leader is not counted for two-deep, as they are not filling that role.)

Hello @Scout368, and welcome! Best of luck on your Eagle Scout Project!

They hint at it in the FAQ. National should come out and say it overtly in the G2SS. I'm still scratching my head as to why they do not. Communicating in plain English is a skill many have not yet mastered. 😜

This is what we call the "self-licking ice cream cone"

Yes, the G2SS does not say registered "with the unit", but that is the interpretation we have gotten here. And this makes sense... your CO should be the one approving who camps with the Scouts in THEIR (the CO's) program. This is also why you cannot do inter-unit activities with council approval. (Of course council WILL approve if your CO's approve...)

It depends... If you have a small Troop... say 15 Scouts or less, and you have the bandwidth, then maybe. Our Troop is larger. This job would be too much... so we have one person tagged to do all the Summer Camp admin support. - Registration of Troop - Putting in the Roster - Cat-herding the MB class sign ups - Sending out notices - Collecting the fees from family, coordinating payments to Camp, and recording it all in Scoutbook. - And swim checks prior to camp... We have a separate person handling all the medical forms and associated admin... Scoutmaster works with SPL (and PLC) to develop their program for the week: Troop swim, Troop shoot, hikes, competitions, any other events, etc listed in the Leader Guide...

LOL, check out the awards pinned to the pants...