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There is debate on the actual “alliance” with anarchist. There are elements on the extreme left AND right who are using the protest as an opportunity to fan the flames and creat riots. BLM has a responsibility to try to distance themselves for sure and not get “co-mingled” with these groups. But again, BLM protest does not equal riots and violence. but to your original post that I responded to, BLM not advocating turning over the government. And to this point, BLMmis not advocating riots and violence, and destruction all over the country.

Right, but you can protest it and bring attention to it. Not all protest are riots. Most are not, most are peaceful.

Where are you seeing BLM advocating replacing our system over government? I just looked all through their site and do not see anything about a revolution or changing any of the principle documents of government. Do they think that there is a significant racism issue in this country, yes. But I do not see them pushing for a new constitution, maybe just ensuring they get the rights that the constitution affords them. You cannot legislate away racism.

I did not realize Stone Mountain was a tribute to horses. Being funded by the KKK and all. Opening the anniversary of Lincoln’s Assassination. Maybe should have just left the people off of it. Anywhere I can read more about Stone Mountain as a tribute to horses. The sites webpage says nothing about this.

I am only quoting the cession documents presented to make the case of the states who joined the Confederacy. If that is historical revisionism, what document from the time should if use. I mean, they were written by the states themselves. You don’t have to believe me, You find a copy here: https://www.battlefields.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states

I do not agree with the taliban on anything. Which is why I spent many years hunting and killing them. but for this, You are You saying you are ok with Stone Mountain? What it represents, what it honors?

No, slavery was the reason they left. Read each states declaration on why they left. In each, the reason is slavery. The efforts in the early 1900’s of the LOst cause or states right was nothing more than way for the south to convince itself that it was not slavery. But their founding documents betray that reality. For the 5 initial states in why they left the union (from their words) georgia: third line - they have endeavored to weaken out security, to disturb out domestic peace and tranquillity....with reference to that property mississippi: second line. Our position i

Stone Mountain is literally the largest monument on earth dedicated to honoring the men who betrayed their country to enslave an entire race due to their skin. The taliban blew up statues because Islam considers any representation of the human as offensive. Both of these instances illustrate how narrow the thinking of a culture or people can be. Are you in agreement that Stone Mountain should be preserved because is it something the US wants to celebrate or honor. That the South’s effort to break away from the United States over the desire to preserve slavery is something we want to sole

There are 17 different items BLM is supporting In their mission. You have identified one and disparage the rest of the organization and their goals for that? And it does NOT call for the destruction of the family, rather it calls for recognition that extended families and villages have a significant pace in today’s society. Do we not want equality under law for all Americans, regardless of race? Do we not understand that a significant portion of our population is disenfranchised and there is room and opportunity to heal the Division that occurs. And for Duckworth, her comments a

No, the politicians get it, they understand. But maybe they are trying to approach this more as an enagagement to address the underlying conditions ina an effort to stop more protest, looting, etc. but again, protesting is not the same as looting and rioting. And when peaceful protestors are treated like looters or rioter like some heavy handed politicians have done, then nothing moves forward, nothing changes, and we are stuck in the death spiral of ineffectiveness. And simp,Ed protesting is seen as the same as looting or rioting.

There is a huge difference between whose who loot/riot and those who protest. And why are the riots occurring? And for the monuments, specifically the ones honoring confederate leaders or soldiers, do you not understand why they want them removed? Is it too much to ask they they want a statue of a person or representation that honors, or remembers, or celebrates the subjugation is a single person due to the color of their skin removed.

This is why we rarely use BSA campsite anyway. Would rather use a state park - other than summer camp.

I have done the same and I am astonished at what is still occurring in the Navy, a microcosm of society. As a senior in the navy, talking to other senior black officers and sailors about the racism they encounter. To hear their sides of the story of an event I was actually involved in. Totally unaware of some of the behind the scenes actions of others. I too assumed the best of people. Totally agree, is listening too much to ask? Is it too hard to try to understand what others have gone through, what they are currently still experiencing. Don’t make it political, make it personal. We ca

What was his departure from the other two troops like. Was it amicable?

If you are accusing me of being intolerant about people who refuse to admit that there are race issues in this nation and staying the course, doing what we have always been doing is enough - guilty as charged. I support the BSA's effort to shape the minds and develop today's youth to lead tomorrow. Tolerance, diversity, and inclusions are concepts that I wholeheartedly support. I also wholeheartedly support an organization that is willing to take an honest look at itself and admit it can do better. That is part of an organization I want to be part of. I'll leave this last note becau

Yep. Intolerance is nothing more than unwillingness to accepts views, beliefs or behaviors different than ones own.

I did not imply anything. I am not black, never have been. But what I did do was try to understand the challenges my peers have undergone. Men and women who I know well and respect. It was eye opening what they have gone through. Is there something wrong with that concept, something we don’t want to teach our scouts about understanding and empathy? It’s far easier to just think there are no problems, to think there is nothing more you can learn, to say “don’t have that problem here”.

it is a meritocracy. However, as every service chief has clearly stated, there is still racism in the military, and an order or regulation cannot erase it. And much like the statement and purpose of the BSA statement, there is much that needs to be done, and that everyone need to take a look, have a conversation with those experiencing racism to better understand it, and be brave confront it when you see it. there is no room for intolerance - be it due to color of skin, religion or political belief.

I too am a military member with as many years in the service (and still serving) and completely disagree with you. The US is decidedly not a military state. There are reasons that military wear (camp pants) are frowned on to be worn at account events. BSA is not about training youth for military, but for developing leadership, resilience, confidence, and Overall contribute to society as adults. While this is much like that military offers, BSA is not a military organization. What Liz says is fine, and I have concern with your lack of tolerance with people who disagree with you.

BSA is not saying they will teach intolerance or rioting, the exact opposite. Rioter are going to riot, for what ever reason, same with looters. But protesting an injustice, and continuing to portent is as American as apple pie. And it’s not diversity first, it’s in addition to. Nothing is binary here.

That the guy they have also attacking women on video, before he uses mace and then shoots a guy during a protest. You are right, that is not scouting.

I have decided to look at this current situation and look at myself to see how I can work to make change, to do my part not to support or tolerate racism. I am adamant that the status quo is not enough. It obviously is not. It has not Contributed to changing the situation, and we have a significant number of our American population who are disenfranchised because racism is tolerated. I applause BSA for being willing to participate in the confersation, knowing that it has a national presence across this great country and can make a difference, and not just bury it head in the sand and refu

Two thoughts, First based on your website - "Police killed 1004 people in 2019. Black people were 24% of those killed despite being only 13% of the population" Second, and the most important in my mind - this is not about systematic racism or police bias. That is what some of the protest are about, but it is really about stopping racism in the entire country. This is not a new problem, it has been part of this nation since its start. It did not end after the civil war, it did not end with civil rights legislation, it still exist. That is what the MB and the scouts can help st

Two thoughts, First - MBs are only a check in the block is the scouts leadership lets it be. If you teach scouts standards and the need to meet them early, you can instill in them the same outlook on standards throughout their lives. You let them pencil whip it or ignore it, what is the lesson they learn. And you can control this. Second - if this is what you see in the value of scouting and the ability to impact a scouts life, why are you doing this? For some, we are the primary influence. For some, we may be the only opposing view of that they learn or hear at home. And I firmly think