Mrjeff

Sorry guys but you can blast away all you like but as my Scouting career draws to an end so does my participation in this forum. If you disagree or have other opinions you certenly have a right to them. But don't try to force them on me because I have a right to have my own opinions. In my opinion the open acceptance of gays and girls into the Boy Scouts is a mistake that is irreparable. Good By.

There have been a lot of changes over the last several years. Some of them were popular and some not so much. Many veteran Scouters have accepted these changes and many did not. I wonder what's next. I heard many people say that they do certain things in other countries and for some reason that seems to justify the changes made in the BSA. For example several visiting Scouts went to the trading post at the World Jamboree and wanted to buy beer. They were surprised when they discovered that beer was not allowed. I don't care if a person drinks beer or not but I am waiting for the BSA to make that change. Since Marijuana is greatly accepted, when will the BSA allow it's use at events. I have never walked around hearing "I drink beer" or "I smoke Marijuana" but either way it's not any of my business. As I remember, when the BSA allowed gay leaders and Scouts to participate a statement was made that there would be no attention focused on the sexual preference of an individual. Again, it is none of my business. Then why do Scouts and Scouters feel the need to announce that they are gay. I don't announce the fact that I'm straight, so why is it necessary for me to know that someone is gay. I recently attended a gathering where the program included three sessions in which the LGBTQ+ community was discussed and even promoted. I just don't understand why I must stifle my beliefs to appease others with whom I don't agree. I don't care if a person is gay but they don't have to continually advertise it, try to force me to accept that lifestyle, or think that lifestyle is good. I know that many many readers agree but just don't have the brass to take a stand. I know that this post will probably upset many but many others agree, but just won't admit it. I hope this makes it past the moderators because this is a very real issue within the BSA. Don't bother with a lot of remarks or negative comments directed to me because I probably won't read them, but I hope this raises some real and honest discussion.

Things are frustrating and difficult. It takes much longer for awards to be processed and returned, other national services are delayed, and property is disappearing. So what do we do? Whatever it takes to deliver the program; if our local camp goes away we camp in a friendly farmers field, swim in his lake and catch his fish. That may not be easy but it can be done! Scout On my friends 😉

Oh, I completely and emphatically AGREE! I have said from the beginning that Scouting may be forced to go back to the way they were. By that I mean: troops doing their own summer camp program; units gathering up on their own for fun and fellowship; friendly sharing of resources; smaller OA Lodges; less expense program wide; more unit individuality; and this list goes on. We will have to pick up whatever pieces are left and SCOUT ON. This won't be easy, but I think its worth the effort.

Right from wrong =`within policy and guidelines or not. Zeeeeshhhh.

Ok, reality check: The BSA is doing everything they can to place all liability on the volunteers and COs. There are so many policies and rules in place it's hard to tell right from wrong. Individual councils are having to provide the BSA with bunches and bunches of money. District's and councils don't really have enough units to sustain them. Long time members are simply stepping away by the thousands. Schools are refusing to allow recruitment. Positive public perception is falling. The price of registration, summer camp, high adventure or national events are prohibitive in cost, and people just aren't joining up. Sure, successes do take place but if you don't view the whole picture and only focus on one spot you're kidding yourself if you think that "All is well with the BSA." Its like checking someone's pulse with your thumb, you can feel it, but the dude is ded. I hope that clarifies things a little.

I'm not surprised that our young ladies are doing well. I was the Advisor of an Explorer Post for 20 years. Whenever a girl joined the Post, with very few exceptions, they became fully engaged and within three years rose to the rank of Explorer Captain. I expect to see the girls excell and achieve a high level of success.

I was an Explorer Post Advisor for 20 years and am not surprised that our young ladies are doing well. When a girl joined our post, with very few exceptions, they became fully engaged and within 3 years rose to the rank of Post Captain. I expect we will see a lot of exceptional echievement in the future from our girls.

Right now I have neither a troop or pack. I have the distinct privilege of serving as our OA Lodge Advisor and chairman of our district Eagle Board of Review, which keeps me very busy and things are well. Thanks for asking.

I wasn't talking about anything specific or unique to any council, I was referring to the organization. Volunteers are volunteering elswere, membership is very low, property is being sold, employees are leaving and unfortunately the list goes on and on. I think, I THINK, that Scouting has lost the trust and confidence of the people and the real glue holding things together is the good name and reputations of adults who are encouraging others to hang on, and this is truly a local issue. If I recall correctly, membership has decreased from two million to 770,000 in the last couple of years. That is a huge decline, if those numbers are correct. I don't cast blame on anyone or any one thing because it's just a product of social change. With litigation and liability being so popular it's really no surprise that folks are walking away just like health care professionals and law enforcement officers. I am looking forward to seeing what next year brings.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks thats its impractical and even impossible to legitimately earn every merit badge in just over a year. I have seen Eagle Scouts who can't build a fire, tie a knot, or cook a meal. I have also heard kids say that they can get a quick military promotion by earning Eagle. Those who do the promoting expect those Eagle Scouts to know something and if they don't they find themselves in a less then favorable position. Does anyone remember when an "Eagle Scout is a First Class Scout who has earned a specific number of merit badges?"

If a person is educated in a specific area and has practiced that field professionally then I would consider that person an expert. Weather the field be in medicine, law enforcement, or nuclear energy. Some merit badg councilors can get by with reading the book and covering the subject and doing the best they can, but others just can not. I wouldn't want Mr. Jones teaching on the subject of lifesaving, welding, or firearms unless he is truly qualified to do so.

Ok,that's wonderful and I hope they were meaningful, met a need and you had a good time doing them😉

Well, I agree that they can be really successful engaging in one activity. But I don't understand how a expert in every subject covered in the merit badge program can be located, all of the requirements met, and accepted by that expert who is a registered merit badge counselor. Hmmmmm..................Environmental Science-Welding-Motorboating-Climbing-Personal Management-Rifle Shooting???????,

Sadly, after all these years, the Boy Scouts of America has simply "run it's course" and is nearing the end of it's useful existence. Then dump a truckload of negativity on the tracks and the problems continue to grow. Anyway, with today's virtual world, academic pressure, extracurricular activities, negative peer pressure, it may be that most kids just want to stay at home and relax.

First, I would like to say that in my experience Wood Badge and Sea Badge are worth attending and are both rewarding and fun. To validate this point, I have attended 3 Wood Badge courses as a participant: one was "the old course" in 1982; the next was "WB for the 21st Century"; and the third was a course provided by the National Council. They were all very different and they were all great. I've also helped with several courses, and attended Sea Badge. In each case ther were those who really agonized over their Ticket or Logbook. I would suggest to all that you keep your goals simple and fun. Look at things that you enjoy doing and meet a specific need. Big projects are great, but only if YOU would enjoy it, and usually involve others. Smaller items can be completed relatively guickly, and usually only depend on yourself. Most importantly, have fun doing it. People used to say "it's all for the boy" and my response to that is "bolderdash", because if the grown folk aren't having fun and are miserable, the kids won't have fun and will be miserable, too.

In 50+ years of Scouting I have only met one young man who earned every merit badge. This young man is exceptional in every way and is on his way to the Olympics. At the time, he was an older tean and had been in Scouting for years. If he couldn't find a registered and legitimate merit badge councilor in his area he would travel to other parts of the country to find one. Now, it seems that earning every merit badge has become the norm and I just read where two Eagle Scouts from the same troop have accomplished this. I also read where one Scout did this in just over a year. Wow, thats impressive but can someone explain how this is done, especially if each councilor is an expert in their field and registered as a councilor?

Ideological view of what Scouting is. You lost me on that. Whose Ideological views? The general public; volunteers; professionals; parents; or most importantly, the kids? It's a simple concept that kids want to have fun and be entertained. They aren't too interested is being in school and learning lessons on their free time. I'll not bore yall justifying this opinion, but please accept it as my own. If I do what I am supposed to do as a Scouter, I am the facilitator and give the kids what they want and need to have fun. Then I slip in some leadership opportunities and even some tips on how to be successful, and sit back and watch the show. This is my simple formula and I am deliberately excluding adult supervision, YPT, guide to safe scouting, and all the other "do nots" because I don't want to start more crap on how things should be done. I'm simply presenting MY simple formula for success with kids of all ages in all settings.

Outside of an Eagle board of review I have never heard a kid say they joined Scouts to " become a fine leader"; "learn to be self reliant"; "learn important lessons that will help me through my life's journey" or any of the other grand ideas that many Scout leaders focus on. Nooooooo, instead I hear things like " to camp out"; "so I can have a knife"; "to go swimming"; "to go to summer camp"; "to mess with fire"; or simply " to have FUN." I just can't help to wonder how many young people are very disappointed and just walk away because they didn't get what they thought they would get.

You just don't get it, carry on my patchy friends and beware of the Patch Police!

I give patches away every chance I get and I enjoy the responses of the kids. In the very rare occasion that for some reason (ie: getting a lodge flap from every lodge in our section before reorganization) I committed the capital offense of trading with kids. I assure yall that everyone I swapped with got "good patches" and were satisfied. In patch trading lingo, they got good patches for patches that weren't so good. Like I said, to me, patches have no value other then to make the kids happy.

Oh KKKKKKKKKKKKK, let's try this again. First, I know all about patches and how to get them maid. To explain the point of this post I'll try again. The BSA is loosing members, employees, volunteers, and entire councils are disappearing. The required fees have skyrocketed and have made it impossible for some to participate. They have initiated the "Camp Manager" requirement for council sponsored events; YPT is required but often times it's impossible to complete because of computer problems; they sunk a lot of money in the Summitt Reserve to include huge and beautiful training facilities which are largely empty and unused. It would seem to me that our national level employees and volunteers could spend their time trying to make Scouting more affordable and available including high adventure and summer camp programs. I don't give a rip about patches, patch trading, patch values, or patch placement. If the kids come up with a design that isn't "naughty" then let the kids have their patch. Instead of wasting resources saying what is a good or bad scrap of fabric. This appears to be another method to #$$$ off people and cause them to walk away. If you maintain that attitude and directio all that will be left are the rule makers and those who worry about those rules. Again, patches are a way to award kids for stuff, and beyond that I fail to see their value. It really doesn't matter what anyone else suggests for a solution, "they're " going to do whatever "they" want to do. Is that clear enough?

Outside of an Eagle board of review I have never heard a kid say they joined Scouts to " become a fine leader"; "learn to be self reliant"; "learn important lessons that will help me through my life's journey" or any of the other grand ideas that many Scout leaders focus on. Nooooooo, instead I hear things like " to camp out"; "so I can have a knife"; "to go swimming"; "to go to summer camp"; "to mess with fire"; or simply " to have FUN." I just can't help to wonder how many young people are very disappointed and just walk away because they didn't get what they thought they would get.

I think you guys are right on the money. I think that there is way too much focus on teaching lessons and building leaders when the focus should be on having fun outside.

You're rigt and I apologize for causing such a "ruckus." The whole point of the analogies was to say that I think with the whole thing including loss of membership, increase in fees, dedicated Scouters with a whole lot of time, talents, and treasure invested are just walking away. Such a shame. You would think that "they" would have bigger and more pressing issues other then weather we can put feathers on a turtle, or not.