mrjohns2

This is at least the second time someone calls the destruction of someone’s life work a minor discomfort. It is not. To say otherwise is to not understand loss. It is also not kind.

The examples you give are from the news and not directly from the IV files.

I have read 5 of the current letters and maybe 25 of the files released 10 years ago. In none of these cases have I seen any attempts to coverup or cover over. Can you back up these claims with a few examples?

Hell maybe an exaggeration and a bad choice if words. It is not at all comparable, so they shouldn’t be compared. They are not the same type of loss. Many volunteers have made this their life’s work. It is not kind to try to diminish the sacrifices they made in money and time, and opportunity costs. Time not spent with spouses etc trying to support and build up an organization that is now being destroyed. These people spent months of vacation time over the years and years worth of weekends. To claim they are not entitled to their frustrations and anger and emotion of the loss is to

The feet dragging is killing me and the organization. Come on, BSA, we need to get on with it. They seem to think they are in charge here, when clearly they are not.

I read a number of the "you are no longer a volunteer" letters. Granted it was me reading between the lines, but I saw it as "You are no longer a volunteer. Here is your money back; you have no claim to sill be a volunteer since your registration has been canceled and refunded. Case closed."

As someone who does want this to get decided already, I don't know if this is a bad thing. The BSA hasn't presented very clear or good offers. So, they had their chance. It's going to be a very deep cut, but what did we think at the start? If the BSA accounting really was that bad for restricted assets, then this is what you get.

I’m not following. They had him resign, and then investigated? Sorry, help me understand the events. I can’t relate to what you are going through. What I can say is that when the big batch of internal files came out 10 (?) years ago via the law firm in California, I read a few. Just thinking about reading them, gives me about 5 vivid recollections to the incidents. Just READING them has burned them into my memory. When people question certain YPT rules, I literally get put back into the incidents in my mind. It causes a pause each time. I can’t relate if it was me in the incident. Ju

This is very similar to the work our company does to improve our manufacturing safety. There is a safety triangle of near misses, then first aids, then recordable injuries, then lost work day injuries, then a fatality. Data shows you will have near misses. You should study them and improve to eliminate these close calls. Luck is often the difference between a near miss and a fatality. No reported near misses means you have a culture of hiding these close calls. Something needs to change or you could have a serious injury even though it looked “perfect” up to that.

I think this type of on-going measurement would be useful. As an engineer and project manager, this data could drive systemic improvements that could be borne out in future data. This is a good idea.

Good point. The CO could easily read the charter with "blah blah blah.... we will have liability coverage to keep you safe. Ok! I'll sign."

This is a good point. The book group at our church operates in a very similar way. The minister knows about it, knows who leads it, but beyond that, it has been "chartered" and it off and does it thing. The "chair" of the book group is known to the minister if there was an issue.

Yeah, as a kid, I barely knew who the committee chair was other than from BoR. That is by design, the committee takes care of the bureaucracy and behind the scenes stuff. Those 2 parts of the key 3 for a unit works well. Basically there is "program and staff". Similar to other organizations, in this case the front line people are the SM and ASMs. The "backend support people" are the committee, lead by the committee chair. Again, not an uncommon structure. The break down is the COR. In a number of units, the COR is the committee chair, as that is an allowed structure. The CO and IH,

It is truly an edifice built in their image. How could you sell that? 🙂 The buildings and mountain are named after other donors.

How much of the Summit is owned outright? Last update I heard was many years ago, but that the BSA still owed like $200M or so. So, the sale would go to pay off the bonds, no? Or have they been paid? Boy Scouts of America Seeks Survival Skills To Deal With Abuse Allegations (forbes.com)

I've read a lot on the forms over the years. One theory that wasn't mentioned often was that the LDS reason to leave wasn't gay leaders, gay scouts, girls, or LDS churches overseas that couldn't be members of the BSA. Was the real reason was the bankruptcy and not being a part of it? They are still part of the bankruptcy, but they aren't in the ship anymore.

We asked my grandpa, would could have been a Scout in the 1930's, if he was a Scout. He said "only rich kids were Scouts". Granted it was the great depression, but still.

This is the reason why family members are not allowed juries. We would feel destroyed. We would nor be good arbiters of justice. Funny, I dislike the lawyers seeking windfalls, but don’t feel that those abused aren’t entitled to a large settlement. I don’t feel like they are victimizing current Scouts. In general, the whole situation makes me sad.

The Girl Scouts did this. Especially half way through the year. That makes a lot of sense for the BSA to do the same, say, just about now. Make it free to join, and hope when recharter rolls around, they pay.

I thought this was just a Scouter and his son visiting a troop? Not a den or pack activity? There are plenty of things a parent who is a Scouter and a cub could do and it wouldn’t be the business of the COR.

When an organization is bleeding funds, one looks to cut costs. Not just dollars, but resources. So while Ventuering and Sea Scouts are neat, I assume they don’t pay the bills at all. From a uniform and insignia inventory standpoint, to a Scoutbook programming standpoint, and any portion of any staff members time. When you can’t pay the bills, it is hard to justify charity to programs that clearly aren’t going to be cost neutral or better anytime soon.

I think I agree. I would effectively not do ANYTHING with them and down staff any professional staff / move them into other holes. Maybe that has already happened. I guess you could starve them without announcing it. I can now see the point. Vocal tiny tiny group wins hearts and minds and distracts from the real work. That would be more of a resource drain than to just let them fade away (as they are).

They caved to a tiny portion of the program. It was disappointing and showed how the national committee was / is not willing to take any radical steps. Keep doing the same thing, you’ll keep getting the same results.

I wish they would just spin off / stop Explorers, Sea Scouts, and Venturers. The carrying cost can’t be zero.

For CFL in particular, it will not be leased back.