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I "wood" love to see some Scout-made caskets.

4 hours ago, Gwaihir said:

It was downvoting the sentiment of the article and her statement, not you.  I removed it.  

Thanks. 

...and I understood

I get a down vote for reprinting part of a CBS article? LOL

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/08/10/girl-wants-to-join-boy-scouts/

Ireland says her main reason for becoming a Boy Scout is to receive the Eagle Scout ranking, which she believes will help her get into a great colleges, and help her get jobs she otherwise wouldn’t be able to get without the ranking.

From the webpage for the law office of Gary Ireland:

Boy Scouts of America: Assistant Scoutmaster Troop 414
Spearheaded successful national campaign to increase membership by including girls and young women in all levels of scouting in the U.S. Girls will be fully integrated into scouting beginning in 2018.  He also provided support for the integration of the LBGTQ community into Scouting through resolutions and personal advocacy.
Gary is active as Staff Member for Woodbadge Adult Leadership Training, providing training for national youth leaders.
 

Also from the Outside magazine article, and you can make of this what you will, but to me, this is much of the problem:

"Like a lot of troops, 414’s scoutmaster is one of the moms. She submits Sydney’s applications for membership and rank advancement to the BSA every time, despite knowing that each will be rejected."

10 minutes ago, EmberMike said:

 

The majority of that time, she has willingly gone unrecognized for her accomplishments and still participated in all of the activities that don't earn you a badge or a rank. 

No, that's not true. She has always been in rogue units which encouraged this nonsense by "unofficially" awarding her rank.

This has been documented repeatedly, but here is one citation:

@HelpfulTracks you are spot on. 

@sst3rd, No I have not heard anything like this. My chapter’s Ceremonies Team continues to use regalia, and to the best of my knowledge, the other chapters do as well.

35 minutes ago, Jameson76 said:

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  This will be done because XX% of those surveyed, even though they are not in the program, feel that a program such as the Boy Scouts of America (NOTE - Current name and subject to change based on survey results) should allow exceptions for the heretofore excluded class known as girls.  

You forgot the Professionals. I thought I heard that at a region meeting, every single SE in attendance was in favor of opening doors "to the whole family."

2 hours ago, Col. Flagg said:

Oh, I suspect national has no clue what they are doing or going to do about Venturing. From this rather detailed conversation I hear, the plan (at least according to these folks who each tried to out-do each other in how "insider" they were to Irving) is to fold Venturing in to Boy Scouts again. Girls would go to girl troops and boys to boy troops. The thought was that why would girls join Venturing if they really wanted Eagle. One person claimed that Venturing would simply pick up the Boy Scout rank process.

Either way, my unit is in limbo. Sure we will continue to have fun like we always do, but growing the unit is impossible. I have no answers as to what the future holds. Who wants to join a group that cannot articulate their long term prospects?

My council isn't saying anything about Venturing either, and yet National continues to ask us to go to Summit the Venturing birthday bash

This family is BSA's version of the Kardashians or the Balls (for any NBA fans). Young girl just keeps asking to be a Boy Scout (and now Eagle Scout) while father continues to bad mouth BSA--all the while orchestrating a steady stream of photo ops and interviews.

She could go to Jambo as a Venturer--with no drama. But, no, now she wants to go to Jambo as a Boy Scout.

Who the first Eagle Scout was is tremendously important to any Scout working on the Scouting Heritage MB, anybody who visits the museum at Philmont or anybody who treasures Scouting heritage in general.

The Herald article reported one kindergarten-aged girl, a second grader and three fourth graders. The National stipulation is four girls in a girl den...as early as Jan. 15.

Interesting that while there are some feel-good quotes from parents, there are no quotes from any Professional.

My hunch is it’s a rogue unit and the CC is good at generating PR.

Rogue pack? 

National indicated January 15 is the earliest date a council can initiate a “soft launch.” Secondly, this pack does not have the National-stipulated minimum membership of four girls per den (unless that has already been changed or waived).

1 hour ago, Eagle94-A1 said:

Sadly, I've seen so many units do their own thing and ignore BSA policies, that I can believe a unit doing anything. Heck my own troop said they will ignore BSA upcoming policy on separate girls troops, and fully integrate girls with their own patrol. They would be a girls only paper troop.

In fact one of the reasons we are now accepting girls is because of rogue units IMHO.

 

I completely agree. I am no longer with a troop but I have heard SMs in my district talk about “paper girl troops.” I have brought this up before at Council meetings and the topic is quickly changed, so it seems everyone is aware of the possibility.

Ok, if you want to get granular, the entire position description reads:

Everything that the Cubmaster does is aimed at helping the individual boy.

Qualifications: Is at least 21 years old and is registered as an adult leader of the BSA. Should be a leader who is able to communicate well with adults as well as boys. Should be able to delegate responsibilities and set a good example through behavior, attitude, and uniform. Preferably a member of the chartered organization.

Responsibilities: The Cubmaster's responsibilities are to: 

Complete Cubmaster Fast Start training and leader position-specific training. Attend monthly roundtables.

Plan and help carry out the Cub Scout program in the pack according to the policies of the BSA. This includes leading the monthly pack meeting, with the help of other leaders.

With the pack committee, develop and execute a year-round recruitment plan for recruiting boys into Cub Scouting.

Know about and use the appropriate and available literature, including the Den & Pack Meeting Resource Guide, the Webelos Leader Guide, and this resource.

See that the pack program, leaders, and Cub Scouts positively reflect the interests and objectives of the chartered organization and the BSA.

Work with the pack committee on program ideas, selecting and recruiting adult leaders, and establishing a budget plan.

Guide and support den leaders. See that they receive the required training for their positions.

Help organize and encourage graduation into a Boy Scout troop by establishing and maintaining good relationships with Boy Scout troops.

Maintain good relationships with parents and guardians. Seek their support and include them in activities.

See that Cub Scouts receive a quality, year-round program filled with fun and activities that qualify the dens and pack for the National Summertime Pack Award.

See that the responsibilities specified for the assistant Cubmaster are carried out.

Help the pack committee chair conduct the annual pack program planning conference and the monthly pack leaders’ meetings.

Work as a team with the pack committee chair to cultivate, educate, and motivate all pack leaders and parents or guardians in Cub Scouting.

Take part in the charter review meeting and annual charter presentation ceremony.

Request den chiefs for all Cub Scout dens and, after selection, see that they are trained.

Recognize the den chiefs at pack meetings.

Conduct impressive advancement, recognition, and graduation ceremonies. For Webelos ceremonies, involve Scoutmasters and other Boy Scout leaders.

Meet with the unit commissioner, Webelos den leader, and Scoutmaster to establish plans for the Webelos Scouts’ transition to Boy Scouting.

Encourage high advancement standards from all Cub Scouts.

Help bring families together at joint activities for Webelos dens (or packs) and Boy Scout troops.

Support the policies of the BSA.

note that the description, while stating “See that the pack program, leaders, and Cub Scouts positively reflect the interests and objectives of the chartered organization and the BSA,” also includes “Help organize and encourage graduation into a Boy Scout troop by establishing and maintaining good relationships with Boy Scout troops,” [note, plural troops], as well as “Meet with the unit commissioner, Webelos den leader, and Scoutmaster to establish plans for the Webelos Scouts’ transition to Boy Scouting.”

On ‎12‎/‎21‎/‎2017 at 9:36 AM, Eagle94-A1 said:

When I told the SM and ASM about what happened, ASM told me his story about when he taught a MB at the MBU previously. Long story short, class advertised as a partial. Scouts came in expecting completions to the points they rudely demanded the MBCs teaching the class to "Just sign off the freaking MB."

 

Sadly, I had a very similar experience...and that's why I don't counsel MBs at Pow-Wows or MBUs anymore.

I received a "Happy Holidays" email yesterday from the Scouting Wire PR group but nothing from the Key Three.

Yes, @HelpfulTracks nailed it. 

7 hours ago, HelpfulTracks said:

DSA, Distinguished Service Award, is the only OA knot I have ever heard of, but it almost as rare as the Silver Buffalo. You won’t see many of those around.

 

Yes, that is the only “official” OA knot I know of. Although some people have made unofficial knots that are novelties and not for wear on the uniform. 

32 minutes ago, Tampa Turtle said:

I agree with Aging Eagle...my sons both Eagled and the COH was after their 18th birthday. They were awarded their badge and it was pinned on their well worn Class A uniform for the ceremony and pictures. It was then retired for posterity (because that is important for scout moms). Thereafter they wore a new shirt with the appropriate Eagle, AOL, and OA Knots after they did their YPT and are now registered as adults.

OA knots? What do they signify?

18 minutes ago, NJCubScouter said:

 

On the other hand, to the boys it would seem like a new troop since they are the only members.  Let me ask this, Cubber, have the leaders of the troop (SM, ASM's, committee members) stayed on to work with the new boys if they join?  Or are the parents of the crossing-over Webelos going to be expected to fill those positions?

That's a key question (for the parents and Webs).