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    Green Bar Leadership Experience

    What if the whole troop went? How about a special Green Bar Bill Micro Camp-O-ree? What if you had a weekend at a scout camp were several whole troops went to the camp, taking their own gear. Send each troop an informational packet on the Green Bar Bill method of scouting and what the weekend is all about and make sure they are on board with the idea. What if you had a Green Bar Bill expert embedded with each troop couching the scout master and SPL. What if you had an afternoon of scout games for the patrols to have fun as patrols. Have an amazing campfire planed by the scouts, plus you could have the Green Bar Bill experts point out what was done right, maybe even give out a few awards. All the adult leaders that went to this event should have a meetup at a later time (after the event) and talk about their experiences as scouters and learn from one another.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    What if Girl Scouts started a Boys program called Scouts GSUSA. . . . Then you saw flyers and videos and people talking about boys could now join Boy Scouts GSUSA units. Parents begin thinking Boy Scouts had join forces with with Girls Scouts to form something new called Scouts GSUSA. When you call out that it is not cool that they are using the term Boy Scouts, because that belongs to the BSA they would say. . . "Oh, no we are Scouts GSUSA! Sorry about the confusion, we will send out a powerpoint slide to tell everyone not to say Boy Scouts GSUSA." . . . then parents, the general public, and kids continue to call the new units of boys in Scouts GSUSA "Boy Scouts" and you end up with units in the BSA and GSUSA both being called "Boy Scouts" by the general public. . . Would BSA have any problem with that?
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    So when talking to a group of boy scouts, your going to say, "hey BSA for boys, let's gather 'round to..."? No, the above terms are for interfacing with the public on fliers, news stories and recruiting. I will use it for anything the GSUSA might see or hear about. The way I speak to our troop has not changed at all. I speak to the boys by their names or position in troop. If I need to refer to everyone I say "everyone" or "we". "SPL, what does everyone need to be doing right now?" "SPL, when do we need to leave?"
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I will be using these terms and completely avoid trouble: BSA BSA for Boys BSA for Girls Cubs Cubs for Boys Cubs for Girls Venturing
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I say just call it BSA
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    A lawyer (Eagle Scout) goes over the lawsuit with a friend.
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    What is the future of Training?

    All scouters need to make sure they know the basics of scouting by heart, I am glad I took the UofS classes just to make sure I was not incorrect on some point or lacking on some other point. All but one of the classes I took was taught by a new and nervous cub scout leader and consisted of her handing out copies of the class syllabus and then reading the syllabus point by point. If anyone had a question they would have use reread the part of the syllabus that sort of covered that question or simply say "I don't know" or "that is not covered in this class". We were told at the beginning of the classes that there was to be "no comments from the peanut gallery" because that would spread misinformation. I was fascinated by the whole thing, watching the reaction of the students. I kept thinking, how did we get to this point in scouting, can this be made any more boring. On the bright, side I pretty much memorized the syllabus.
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    What is the future of Training?

    I think the best scouter training I have ever had has been the weeks that I spent at summer camp. I also had the chance at camp to sometimes be the wise old scouter and pass on many of the interesting things I have learned about the game of scouting to scouters of all ages and experience levels. My goal is to know the current BSA rules and guidelines and then at the same time follow the lead of Green Bar Bill as much as possible and keep the game of scouting as fun as possible for both the boys and scouters around me. The training classes are a good introduction to scouting, but they are only the beginning of the journey.
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    What is the future of Training?

    I have been with a troop for 9 years and a pack for 6, I have sat around countless camp fires talking to old time scouters about how to scout and I read every book about scouting I can get my hands on. I am always learning, I always want to know more, I want to know how to do things better. Every problem that comes up is a chance to learn something.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Scouters can be trained to toe the line when it comes to political correct language. . . But the boys, girls, moms and dads are going to be much harder to control, I can set an example, but I am going to be a very poor language policeman. I can see scouters referring to BSA girl troops as girl troops to be political correct, but the boys, girls, moms and dads will mostly refer to them as girl scouts. The massive bolder BSA national has started rolling down the hill will not be slowed down much by a single power point slide.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    I see what you did there, You can say girl troops and boy troops. You can say girl only troops and boy only troops. You can say Scouts. You can say Scouts BSA. just. . . never mix the word Girl with the Scouts. . . ever. . . Got it.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Taking the Boy out of Boy Scouts seems to have caused a lot of trouble. . . We saw this coming a mile a way and pointed it out. They should have just called the girls program "Boy Scouts for Girls". What exactly am I suppose call girl Scouts BSA troops now? By dropping "Boy" from the name "Boy Scouts" and forming a girls only program and keeping a boys only program we as scouters need some way to describe a troop as being a boys troop or a girls troop. The most logical thing to do is to add the noun "boy" or "girl" in front of the new name "Scouts BSA" to tell people that I am talking about an all girl scout troop or an all boy scout troop. This is important to do when recruiting boys and girls to join a troop and this is also were we are going to get into a lot of trouble. The only label I have so far to label a new girl "Scouts BSA Troop", is "girl Scouts BSA Troop". It is only logical that scouters will just use the shorthand of "Scouts" (and drop BSA) within their units, but will commonly refer to all "girl Scouts BSA troops" as "girl Scouts" and other all "boy Scout BSA" troops as "boy Scouts". "girl Scouts BSA" almost sounds like "Girl Scouts USA" . . . . . . and YES, parents I have been talking to are very confused by all this, this is causing massive confusion already and the girl Scouts BSA units have not even started up yet.
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    "So your daughter wants to join the Scouts? Fantastic! Troop 116 over there is a boy Scout troop, but troop 265 over there is a girl Scout troop, come with me and let me introduce you to the Scout Master."
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    Girl Scouts Suing the Boy Scouts

    Yes, we should have called it "Boy Scouts for Girls" and "Boy Scouts for Boys". Calling it "Scouts" is a mess. We have all boy "Scout" troops and will very shortly have all girl "Scout" troops. Even though I mean that we will have "Scout" troops made up of all boys and "Scout" troops made up of all girls, it will sound like what I am saying is "Boy Scout Troop" and "Girl Scout Troop".
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    EP YPT requirements

    These are questions my summer camp has been asking and so far they have not gotten any answers yet. 1. Are 18 to 20 year old scouters allowed to be merit badges councilors anymore? 2. Many merit badge sessions are inside buildings, if a male staff member is the merit badge councilor and there is a female scout in the class, must a 21 year old female scouter be present? 3. If all merit badge councilors were female and over age 21 would this meet the new YPT requirements?
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    Is BSA adult leader training necessary?

    I really want to take, Wilderness First Aid, I plan on taking it this year if possible. As for Wood Badge, two weekends at camp taking wood badge would be fun for me, being around other scouters and learning from them would be fun. It is all the hazing, fighting, belittling and bulling between Wood Badge folks that follows for years to come that I do not want to be a part of. I do not want to ever be a part of any 45 minute beading ceremony that disrupts a camp fire program for the scouts. If I were one of the ones getting the beads I would feel like garbage. Do I want to spend 18 months working hard on tickets only to be rewarded with the feeling that I am part of something that disrupts the scouts fun and sets bad example after bad example for the scouts? No thank you. It might just be my council is broken and Wood Badge is fantastic in other councils.
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    Is BSA adult leader training necessary?

    I have seen with my own eyes a group of Wood Badge people telling another Wood Badge person that they needed to take Wood Badge again because they took wood badge before the year 2004 and that old version of Wood Badge is no longer valid. I also have seen a group of Wood Badge people telling another Wood Badge person that they really need to retake Wood Badge, because the first time they took it their tickets were way too easy and should not really count and they should take it again and be serious about it this time and there is a Wood Badge person on staff that will help them write a REAL ticket. I have seen a Wood Badge person berated for taking a Wood Badge course outside of our council and being told they need to take it again in our council to be considered a valid Wood Badge person in our council. I have seen Wood Badge scouters told that because they have taken Wood Badge before 2004 they can not be part of Wood Badge staff or NYLT staff. I have seen Wood Badge people completely enraged because a certain Wood Badge person that they can not stand was wearing 6 beads. These scouters were acting very un-scout like. I know many Wood Badge people that are my good friends that are so done with current state of Wood Badge that they do not wear their beads anymore and keep the fact they took Wood Badge a secret. They are embarrassed to be associated Wood Badge in its current state in my council.
  18. I have seen several women like this that have ended up going to wood badge and came back even worse. They come back thinking the way the trainers at wood badge function is the way adults in a troop are suppose to function. If you send a great scouter to wood badge, they will come back a even better scouter, I have seen that happen many times. If you send a bad scouter to wood badge, you might create a monster with beads, I have seen that happen as well.
  19. Most the people I know in our pack that have taken Wood Badge in the last few years changed directions in scouting from helping with the local cub scout and boy scout unit to being much more focused to being a district level scouter. All the tickets that I heard about had something to do with district level activities. I can not think of any positive impacts Wood Badge has had on our troop. One friend that took the course told me that to him, "The course was mostly about leading and managing adults and how to get the most out of adult volunteers, by using motivational tools such as creating a vision and loyalty to the BSA brand through tradition and nostalgia."
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    Fitness Goals for Scouters

    I went on some cub scout hikes with a bunch of scouters on several of the special hike days. There were many scouters that were in the obese range that did the 1 to 2 mile hikes and they had a very hard time, moving slow, breathing heavy, getting light headed, and stopping to rest a lot and this was with no back pack. Currently I am a heavy guy at 199 pounds and 6 foot tall, but also very strong for a 52 year old. However, when I was 239 pounds a few months ago I had tons of energy to move and I was not short of breath, the big problem that I did have was my legs would start to hurt really bad when I was going up hill. I just did not have the leg power to go up hill and keep up with the boys. I had the energy, but the legs just would not work. Now at 199 pounds I can run up the hills and my legs are fine. You guys are right, some folks might look big, but still be able to hike. However many scouters I talked to have to push through a lot of pain to do a hike and it is not as fun an experience as it could be. I know several scouters from summer camp that are in the 350 pound range and can barely make it across a parking lot without breathing hard.
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    Fitness Goals for Scouters

    I was out looking on the web at bunch of wood badge group pictures and noticed it looked like very few of the people in the photos could do a 5 mile hike. I feel really sad that these folks most likely will be missing out on one of the best parts of scouting, hiking.
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    Fitness Goals for Scouters

    The main problem is too many scouters are overweight. In the last few months I dropped 40 pounds of weight, I went from 239 to 199 pounds, I did so just so I can run up the hills with the boys and make back packing a piece of cake. I feel amazing. "Body-mass index (BMI) data collected from applicants for the 2010 National Scout Jamboree show that 41 percent of the youth were overweight or obese; among the adults, a staggering 77.5 percent were overweight, obese, or morbidly obese. But Scouting is determined to raise the bar by encouraging responsibility." Scouter Magazine https://scoutingmagazine.org/2009/09/fat-chance/
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    Den with no leadership - part 2

    I have taken over dens with no leader. I made sure all the boys had a book. I would bring fun stuff for the boys to do with their hands and have several fun and active games for the boys to play. I would make the meetings fun and relaxed, just a group of dads and moms just having fun with their boys. The boys would spend a lot of the time talking and interacting with one another while we did what ever we were doing. That was key to the boys having fun. I would point out to the parents that we are doing this thing here from the book, on this page. I would always be super cheerful and kind with everybody and make a point of having fun. I made it look easy and fun, because it really is. I would drop a little hint, just one time. "You know being a Den Leader is super easy and fun, if any of the parents here would like to take over I would be happy to had over the position of Den Leader to one of you. I will help you any time you need help with something." With in 2 months I always had a Dad or Mom ask to take over has Den Leader. . . . and they always did a great job, because they wanted to do it and their heart was in it, and I showed them how to be a good leader. (I was training them to lead by example and in kindness)
  24. Wow! I wish my district had your Wood Badge Folks, your beading ceremonies sound very nice.
  25. At the last Camp-o-ree campfire I went to we had all the Wood Badge folks take the stage and sing 5 or so Wood Badge songs that none of the scouts know and most of the Wood Badge folks did not remember too well ether, then they gave out an award to a Wood Badge person, who then gave a 5 minute or so speech, and then gave we all got a 10 minute or so Wood Badge recruitment talk. All the boys and scouters were as quiet as could be and let them have their time. After all that most the Wood Badge folks then returned to their seats, but 15 or so stayed up front and moved just off stage. . . and had a little reunion meet up, with loud laughter, jokes, loud talking, for them the campfire was over and it was time for fun and reconnecting with old friends . . . . . . only problem was it was time for the OA Call Out Ceremony. . . while the 3 flutes were playing off in the distance we all treated to the loud laughter and shenanigans of the Wood Badge crew up fount, they continued to be loud through out the OA Ceremony, making it very hard to even hear the names being called. . . It really took the air out of the OA Ceremony, it was quite sad really. The boys notice things like this.
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