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About GrammaScout

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    Active in the Lutheran Church that sponsors our Boy Scout Troop (of 50 yrs.) Our son, an Eagle Scout, is an Asst. Scoutmaster and has two sons in the troop. We are strong advocates of this troop which has had recent difficulties working with members who have zero knowledge or experience as Adult Scouts in the BSA program. We have been upset for about 8 years now. I am here for support and for suggestions from others as to how they have handled such situations.

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  1. I have read about ‘new’ Charter Agreements for 2021. One that is a ‘Facilities usage only’ with the District being the ‘CO’ and ‘owner’. The second one being more typical of prior years. We have a Scouter on our Church Council who states he has seen the 2021 Charter And that it is exactly like the prior one of more recent years. Could do someone explain all this please?
  2. This info came from ScoutingWire: June 4, 2021 Over the last year, we have seen the Scouting community come together, even while being physically apart, to bring solutions, relief and comfort to those in need. Scouting continues to be a vital partner for communities across the country. The value of Scouting is undeniable for those within the program and the greater public, and the Boy Scouts of America is committed to continuing to offer this unmatched opportunity to young people and families nationwide. It is important that we all reach out to Scouting families who might h
  3. Dear Cynical: ''Voter Fraud' was an off the cuff comment from a couple of others. They were thinking of it as making a group of members (the quorum) vote on something of which they had no knowledge and therefore were not informed voters. The questions asked last year proved that part, and it is logical they would NOT have any knowledge.
  4. I've canvassed twelve Church CO's in my area...and none of them, like you, has never heard of such a thing. This came from those I described earlier, Staff, Council, and Elected Leaders...who had never heard of a Church CO preparing a TAX-deductible receipt for a donor and of course, using the non-profit Tax-ID number of the Church. It just happened to have come about when they had just learned about the 'own' concept of the CO's. They became paranoid that some 'irregularity' in the Troop Funds...would trigger the IRS resulting in an audit of the CHURCH....and' jokin
  5. mrjohns2: Thank you for checking...but where then was the 'word' own that was the impetus for a contentious meeting with Staff, Clergy, Church Council...." I remember when the President at that time came up to us and waved/shoved the Charter in my husbands face...yes...and yelled something about didn't you and the other past presidents even read this before you signed it?..........................pertaining to the word 'own'... My husband had served two terms as President and also two terms as President at a nearby Lutheran Church whose Troop is managed by themselves was a Scout, all
  6. I have never heard a thing about Council Execs wanting to have direct control of Units. Why ever would they? Directions and 'suggestions' are plentiful to tell Troops 'how to do everything'. However: It should be common sense that each Troop is a bit different than the next one. Size, funding, volunteers, location, etc. and the 'management' are all up for 'adjustment' depending upon such variables. Council Execs could never keep up with the differences.
  7. Well, it was in the Charter Agreement about 2013...that is when some unknowledgable guys went ballistic when they read that word. And it has been paranoia ever since.
  8. Hello out there...our 'Church' recently decided to put the Annual Budget of the Troop on the ballot for voting on at the Annual Meeting after 50+ years. This 'group' recently learned that to give a donor to the Troop a tax-deductible receipt, the Church (the CO) had to include their Tax ID number and a few of them went 'ballistic'...thinking that any 'irregularities' in the Troop Funds would flag the IRS leaving the Church open for an audit....!! This is S.O.P. for all non-profits, of course. It is my understanding that this has also been S.O.P. forever for Troops
  9. Sorry to be so dense, but what are all these 'waves of lawsuits' you mention? I thought bankruptcy had a deadline as to claims. Documenting Troops, etc...documenting what? So people are now going to start suing the Charter Organizations where the 'issue' occured? I thought that was covered by the BSA Umbrella..... We've had the discussion wondering what would stop a family from suing the place where the Facilities are used. So not being the CO wouldn't make any difference.
  10. The word 'own' was near the top of the Charter Agreement that used around 2010. The experienced Adults had an abstract/literal interpretation of what that meant. However, when our Council and Staff became loaded with those with zero knowledge of the policies and procedures of the BSA...they went bisurek! Our District Rep. made THREE visits to the Committee meeting to...try....to explain the umbrella liability coverage. We then moved to the extreme with the term 'OWNS and OPERATES' being used. This exemplary Troop of 50 years has functioned well for over 50 years of autonomy but with a c
  11. Our Troop is rather large...we have 16 newbies signed up since about March. So...in some places those youth...and their parents are still coming. I'm glad of that...because I believe it is unethical to punish the innocent for the sins of the guilty.
  12. So: Are you all saying that Districts may have their 'own' Charter Agreement not the National?
  13. I am still here...sorry...needing to see copies of the last 5 versions of the Charter Agreement. Someone must have these or know where to find them. Thanks
  14. I have also read that from now on, it is the District that 'owns' the Troop, the gear, and the Funds, if necessary. Finally, they got it right.
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