Ranman328

luckily I only have 25 Scouts in my Troop but I hear you, there are nights when a bunch want something and they all wait until the last minute to ask. I do hope there is a reason and not a SM imposed policy on it.

Our District did not turn away anyone. There were no restrictions on what grade girls could join. There are photos of one Troop in my area that has a girl in it and she went to summer camp with the Troop but yet according to the District Commissioner, we have no girls registered. I guess it wouldn't matter since there are not any girl handbooks out yet.

Does anyone know what is going on with all the girls that joined in January and earned their AOL by June 1 as per the stated rules of starting a girl den? If the Boy Scouts don't start their program until 2019 what are they doing now?

There is no "Technically" I copied and pasted that straight from the Guide to Advancement. From my reading, the Scout already personally asked the Scoutmaster for a Scoutmaster Conference. I am a little confused why he should also not have to send emails as well. If the Scout has completed the requirements, just do it! It should not take any more than 10 to 15 minutes. If the SM is that busy, then she should delegate. The Scout should not have to wait unless he has not finished some requirements.

According to the Guide to Advancement section 4.2.3.5 Unit Leader Conference states "Unit leaders do not have the authority to deny a Scout a conference that is necessary for him to meet the requirements for his rank. If a unit leader conference is denied, a Scout—if he believes he has fulfilled all the remaining requirements—may still request a board of review. Looks like this Scout should just request his BOR and be done with it. Make the Unit Leader explain to the BOR why he is denying the Scout his SM Conference.

No one said anything about coed did they? Do they have separate books? I haven't heard any complaints about coed Cub Scout Books. I think you should look up how much money was raised just last year raising membership fees. BSA made an additional $33 million dollars last year with the $9 increase in fees. If you don't think a significant chunk of that went to the girl program and new book design then you are not being honest. Currently there are only 10,000 girls signed up. In my district, we do not have a single girl registered.

Kind of a harsh response don't you think? My question would be, did BSA do the same thing for each Cub Scout Rank as well as the Venture Crew? If not, why? How much money was spent on the making of two books. Now all those complaints about BSA raising membership fees to pay for the girl program are valid, don't you think? I think people are getting upset that everything BSA said would not happen is now happening. Sad times we are in.

I don't know how the Scouting Program works in your neck of the woods but in my Troop, if a Scout told other Scouts or his Patrol he no longer identified as a boy or girl, the parents would be aware as one of those Scouts would have discussed it or said something. So yes, the Scout would have "outed" himself. I'm also not sure the NJ School System should be used as comparison to how we handle things in Scouting. Most School Systems no longer allow any talk of God and that is a huge part of Scouting. I also find it odd that we haven't mentioned discussing with the Scout about the Scou

If the Scout has already told several other Scouts or his Patrol, as has happened in this case, wouldn't he have already "outed" himself? What happens when one of these Scouts says something to the parents at the next meeting or COH or says "Hi" to him in his new requested name in front of his parents? What happens when the parents if they don't know go the Leaders and ask if they knew and if so, why didn't they come to them saving them the embarrassment of finding out from someone else in public. Very slippery slope on this one. As a SM, I would use it as a Scoutmaster Conference moment t

I disagree. This Scout is not 18 years old and as someone here already said "We are not psychologists" so yes the Scout's guardians in this case, his parents should be informed. This might be a way of this Scout reaching out for help. I would have a discussion with the Scout and obtain as much information as possible before talking to the parents in an attempt to eliminate home abuse. I for one am not willing to take on the responsibility of not telling the Scout's legal guardian and then something happens and the parents come back at me for knowing and not saying something. I am not sure

I have never heard of this rule either. I will conduct a SM Conference anytime as long as the Scout has his Class A and Handbook. I have done them on campouts, Troop Meetings, Hikes. I have even in a pinch called the Committee together to come to my house to complete the SM Conference and BOR on the same night. In this day and age, if a Scout takes the time to complete the requirements, then by god, I will do whatever needs to be done to get the SM Conference done. The fastest way to lose a scout is to drag your feet getting them ranked up. Seems like an SM needs a reminder of the G2A an

I do believe this is a case of not wanting the Troop there any longer. I spoke to a friend that was a member of the church and they said there are lots of problems with the church now from the top down. We shouldn't have a problem finding a home. All the Schools in the area are free of charge so that is an option. We have had a relationship with the church for many years and provided a ton of Service Hours to them as well. It is sad for it to end this way.

If I am not mistaken, the new rollout of girls in Troops does not start until 2019. This is not a good example to be setting for these girls wanting to become part of this program. It appears that from the top down in your Troop, you are telling these girls that if you don't like the rules or policies they don't have to follow them. Just make up your own. That is a very dangerous road to go down. What are you going to do when the first girl gets injured or files a complaint? They are not a registered Scouter. I am not sure the Charter Organization would like to hear that they are being

Our Troop is Chartered by a Moose Lodge. They don't have enough meeting space for us to meet so we have been meeting at the Church 50 yards next door for the last 10 years or so. We provide as much manual labor as they might need as well as grounds clean ups two times a year. We meet there once a week from September to May. I received a call tonight from the Financial Chairman of the Church wanting to discuss our Troop meeting there and entering into a Lease Agreement with the Church starting September 1. They would only charge us $400.00 a month. Yes I said $400.00 per month. This equa

Our Charter Organization will not be starting any Girl Troops. I think with the current rules in place about requiring a female to be at all events and outings is going to be hard. Unfortunately, I don't think this was well thought out and not properly planned. I think the powers that be forgot the Scout Motto "BE PREPARED". They certainly are not in this case.

I will have to say you have more restraint than I would have had and I commend you on that. I am not sure this Adult is a good fit for Boy Scouts. He should not be engaging with the scouts in this manner. He should be going to the Patrol Leaders and have them forward information to the Patrols. I think a discussion needs to be had about his son bunking with him on campouts. How is this scout going to rank up. So far as a Scoutmaster, I would not sigh off on any campout he has been on sleeping with dad. As I tell the boys in my Troop, we all make mistakes. If you don't make mistakes you

I understand it is covered in the interview but if you are to treat them as what they put on their application then what would the CO use to disqualify the applicant? Seems to me this would lead to some sort of discrimination complaint.

@The Latin Scot, I could not have said it better. I do wish the new program made a requirement to better prepare the boys for Boy Scouting. I wonder if some leaders are getting burned out especially if they have been in the program from the Tigers on and they just want to be done. I have been asking around about the Pack with the Scout I am asking about and have found out that this might be the case. They just want to be done which is sad because in my opinion the last two years of Cub Scouts are the most important when it comes to preparing the boys for Boys Scouts.

This is the same information we were provided and clearly states that we are to accept scouts based on what they put on their application. Unless they say otherwise, my CO can not deny their application. It concerns me that members here are posting information or giving advice contrary to the information National has sent out.

When did the National Policy change? All information we have received is that ALL units must take whatever is listed on the application at face value. If it is a girl that says they are a boy, then you treat them as a boy and vice versa. I have not received any information to contradict this nor has our DE? Please provide me with the information you have so I can take that to our District Key 3. Thanks

I'm in for the 1940's unit.

You know, I started this thread asking a simple question because I was concerned that an AoL Scout might cross over early and think he earned the AoL when he did not. No, I don't have any additional time to give. I already work more hours in Scouting per week than I do my full time paid job. I have run very successful Cub Scout Programs and now run a very successful Boy Scout Troop. I am also a Merit Badge Counselor for Multiple Troops for 27 different Merit Badges and serve as a Unit Commissioner for 6 Cub Scout Packs. I would like to see leaders become better trained instead of saying "

Message received! I thought this was a discussion forum to discuss things. Recommend you provide your guidance on every thread as they all seem to veer off course. I will keep my two cents to myself in the future.

Never said anyone attacked neckerchiefs. What I said is that lately, "ANYTHING DEALING WITH TRADITION" is attacked. Not just in Scouting but ANYTHING dealing with TRADITION. Seems like we have people that go around and see what kind of trouble they can cause and protest long standing traditions.

I think you answered your own question "accepting the tradition". Lately, anything dealing with tradition is attacked and must be changed. As the Committee Chairman, I asked that if the Adult Leaders were going to wear the uniform, they try to wear it properly. I had a few female leaders coming to events wearing leggings and the Leader Uniform untucked. One was wearing Disney Leggings with white socks pulled up over top of them. I am not saying everyone needs to have a complete uniform but at least give the scouts a good example. I wish BSA would invest in a better cloth and go back