Sturgen

Novel thought bob, how much do two equivalent patches cost on average, same thread count same colors, same quantity, etc. Just on average, come on, you can do it.

I didnt get as close of a look at it as I would have liked but I think the true question would be in whether or not it was a flag patterned poncho or a poncho made of flags, although I personally choose not to wear any items that could be construed as being made from a flag, bandanas, t-shirts, shorts, etc that have a pattern similar enough to the US flag. As long as those items of clothing are not made from actual flags I consider it a sign of patriotism, although perhaps misguided, I have always had an urge to wear a bandana while rock climbing that has a blue field with white stars and red

A lot depends on the crew, some are branches off of troops, some are independent, the independent ones I have seen seem to focus more on car camping, helping out camporees, Klondikes and the such, and only the venturing awards. My crew is independent of a troop, but made entirely of current or recent camp staff members, so naturally we focus on our camp.

True, chances are that I have never met your mother, however chances are that if she has lived for any length of time in any of the states on either the east or west coast, or ever visited Washington (not the District of Columbia) or Idaho, then the two of us have inhabited the same state at one time or another. Either way, I fail to see your point; outside of perhaps that you are of the opinion that she is an excellent Scouter...

I would like to make something clear as to my beliefs regarding women in general. I have nothing but the highest respect for women, I plan to marry one (and only one) in the relatively near future. I have no issues with women in the business, military, or civil services as long as they may complete their job effectively. However it is my opinion that the vast majority of women cannot fulfill the jobs of SM, ASM, or any of the other leader positions in Boy Scouts, not because of some lack of ability to carry out the technical job, (book keeping, advising, camping, etc) but because of purely bi

Scoutmom: This is why I do not go camping with him. Which means that if he is having problems on camping trips, I will be going on the next trip and observing events. So which is it, do you go camping or not? He also knows when things are not right, or to his liking and that he has every right to speak up about what he doesn't like. He also knows he can depend on me checking on all the facts before I react to anything. To me this says, if hes not happy I check up on it. Welcome to life, its not supposed to be all fun and games, maybe he doesnt like the stew he had for dinner on a

I did forget to mention that the troop I grew up in and am now a leader in never allowed mothers to do anything, outside of driving the kids to weekly meetings. They were never asked to go on trips, and it was strongly implied that they werent welcome on them, in my years in the troop we had one mother go, who managed to complain the entire time on a relatively easy hike, and wanted to pay for her and her son to sleep in a near by rafting camp that had a small cabin. In fact even the tasks most would equate as the mothers job, sewing on badges and baking cookies for COHs and Scout Sunday are

I did forget to mention that the troop I grew up in and am now a leader in never allowed mothers to do anything, outside of driving the kids to weekly meetings. They were never asked to go on trips, and it was strongly implied that they werent welcome on them, in my years in the troop we had one mother go, who managed to complain the entire time on a relatively easy hike, and wanted to pay for her and her son to sleep in a near by rafting camp that had a small cabin. In fact even the tasks most would equate as the mothers job, sewing on badges and baking cookies for COHs and Scout Sunday are

To start out, I agree, in part with the large almost dead man, ok, wait, give me a second to explain before the lynching. I am a firm believer in Boy Scouts being an exclusively male organization. The reason for this is that although it may not be officially one of the goals of scouting, the troops job is to turn a boy into a man, which can not be done when you have mommy watching over his shoulder. In many ways den mothers are preferable to den fathers in the earlier Cubbie years, and I have no problem with female advisors in venturing, although I do believe it is advisable to have every re

My troops charter church always trys to tie scouting into the service. Eagles are always a good subject, as well as service to others, good turns, etc. I can'timagine the church would have an issue with this.

The Flag of the United States of America ALWAYS proceeds any other flag when on US owned or occupied soil. It may be "joined" by another state, national, or military flag directly to its side or behind it. Please also note that the US flag needs to be to the presentors left (audiences right) and at an equal or greater hight then any other flagwhen placed on display

Evolution is a theory supported by many known pieces of evidence. It is generally believed that it is not a fact. The underlying goal is to search for truth using a method of science. You seem to imply that evolutionary theory is believed to be incorrect by the masses? Did you just happen to skip every science class known to man? Or perhaps you simply wouldnt dare associate with those sinners who believe in evolution? It really must be a lonely life for you. I do suppose that hundreds of years of exact scientific study all over the world ought to be ignored because a single book says s

My bio teacher back in high school had a very simply way to handle this issue. We spent one day on creationist theories, primarily those related to the Old Testament. This included reading some scripture, as a scientific text, not as a piece of spiritual enlightenment. We followed this with a scientific study of evolutionism for a week or so, after all this was a biology class and not a theology class. On a more personal note I treat the bible as being more figurative than an actually historical record, and using such a view it is simple for creationism and evolutionism to coexist harmoniou

This may be a little off, but why is grandma sewing the badges on, does the kid not have fingers? Perhaps he is quadriplegic? Maybe its me, but shouldnt the kid be sewing his own badges on? Its not that hard, with the exception of those already on my uniform, I sewed every badge onto my BSA and Venturing uniforms, alas, my mother did sew my cubbie patches on to the good old fashioned blues. Personally I recognize the importance of proper uniforming, the boys in my troop fear my pocketknife, which has removed many an improperly worn patch, however if your going to be picky about 1/8 in regards

Oh, so hate-filled wizard: What you fail to realize is that the BSA does not practice any form of religious discrimination, Catholics, Protestants, Mormons, Jews, Muslims, believers in Native religions are all more than welcome, to my understanding agnostics are welcome as well, simple a belief in higher power than ones self. Neither does the BSA actively descriminate against homosexuals by my observations, instead the BSA uses a dont ask dont tell policy, attempting to remain as neutral as they can, For some reason you seem to have been corrupted by the left and believe in the new const

i am planning on being there but have only heard bits and pieces about it

For an out of council camp, that isnt one of the ubercamps, check out Cowles, in Eastern Washington, almost Idaho, we have a COPE course, climbing tower, one outpost, building a second, and several other features, did i mention over 900 acres, and you get the spend the week with me, come on thats the best part right there http://www.inwc-bsa.org/camping/cowles.htm http://www.scoutcampsusa.com/cowles/cowles.html

Outfitters, going for a fifty mile award, oh my eyes, the pain, why do you people need a patch in order to get out in the woods, and then why do you need to pay someone to do all of the planning, mapping, and Im sure paddling if you asked, this isnt camping people, this is a vacation. Have we forgotten about this little thing called leadership, and letting the boys plan the trips. There ought not be any need for a guide.

Have you considered calling another local troop or OA chapter and seeing if they have an older (16) experienced boy who would be interested in helping you out, perhaps acting as SPL for three months until he can train one of your younger boys as his assistant afterwards acting in a supervisory position allowing the young boy to act as SPL but closely guiding him.

The owner and editor of the local paper is on the council committee in my neck of the woods and you only see reports in the paper on the positives of scouting maybe six times a year, in a county of 500k, (the paper is the local paper for I would guess about twice that). Not to be pessimistic, but dont hold up to much hope, just keep calling media sources before and after you have an event and perhaps something will happen

You all seem to think you cant take a Dutch oven on a hike, when did this happen? I backpack about five miles two or three times a year with my 14 cast iron oven. There are also cast aluminum ovens available at a relatively low cost that weigh little more than an average stew pot. On another note, why is a hike not traditional, do you think Jim Bridger or John Colter, or for that matter any member of the Corp of Discovery just drove up to camp dumped their duffle bag out of a covered wagon and started playing knot games and building mini-towers for kicks. No, they hiked, cannooed or crawled t

"I thought the idea of the "Ubermensch" came from Neitzsche and not Dostoyevsky." You are correct, as far as I know. However Fyodor Dostoevsky first introduced me to the idea in Crime and Punishment when I read it 3 or 4 years ago, before I ever read any of Friedrich Nietzsches works. As you ought to note, I never claimed that Dostoevsky was the innovator of the idea.(This message has been edited by Sturgen)

This is the speech I have always used for flag ceremonies, although I do like and agree with the entirety of the first speech posted. I am your Flag I was born on June 14th, 1777. I am more than just cloth shaped into design. I am the refuge of the World's oppressed people. I am the silent sentinel of Freedom. I am the emblem of the greatest sovereign nation on earth. I am the inspiration for which American Patriots gave their lives and fortunes. I have led your sons into battle from Valley Forge to the bloody swamps of Vietnam. I walk in silence with each of

Yet again half of us out there are not in the scouting program and are not scouts because we dont do it Bob's way, why am I so shocked, blasted Leaders Manual, foiled again by Texas. Anyone want to join my new program, Badens Boys, its actually going to be based off of what our founder planned and not what a bunch of big wigs in Texas think will protect the self-esteem and self-image of the boys, and more importantly the parents.

The ends justify the means when you are capable of producing far better men using a flawed process then when the designed process is notorious for pumping out boys still dependent on mom and dad, regardless of rank. I must state however that I am a strong believer in the Ubermensch principal since I read Crime and Punishment and was introduced to the idea