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* It never hurts to have ALL parents registered Scouters. Our Troop even pays the registration fee. Our Council recently declared that all MB Counselors (1) had to be registered Scouters (new form with new MB C form) and (2) had to be registered with the District MB Coordinator.

* I don't think the BoR C is an "official" position per se. Your Troop could make it so in your Troop. Our BoR has the CC as the BoR Chairman and then any parent available (usually a ASM, too) can serve on the BoR. It is , I think, very good to include the parents and then they get a sense of ownership (?) of the Troop. The inexperienced parent("hey, I could never do that") can see what their boy sees and be encouraged to be more involved. The IP hears the example of the CC and the ASM or the more experienced parent and gains confidence about the Scout experience thereby. Yeah, the boys parent can't be included on the BoR, but that's the idea, yes?

* Since we are not a really huge Troop, BoR are held on a "as needed" basis, sometimes as often as once a month.

* All who serve on the BoR sign the Ad Form, so yes, the personnel involved changes almost each time.

* Just don't forget, (1) "it's for the kids" (Bob the Tomatoe) and (2) "call'em Scouts not guys. That's what they are" . I said that.

Good luck and Godspeed to you and your Troop.

Very sad.

When the purpose of the organization (say, what is our purpose, anyway? Another thread there...) is forgotten in favor of the personal resume (look how many Scouts/Units I have led to join/ be formed) or the income (is there a bonus/bounty for showing increases?) or the BoD never leave the board room to visit the "front lines" to verify the SE reports, well Bad Things Happen.

Now, is Irvings purpose the same as the Councils purpose the same as the Districts purpose the same as the Troop/Packs purpose the same as ...?

Or are only the methods of the N, C, D, T/P in fulfilling that purpose different?

YiS

* Read an article about the snake handlers up in the Appalachians. Their faith leads them to "get up close and personal" with timber rattlers and copperheads. This comes from Biblical injunctions Mark 16:18 among others. That's the beauty of faith, I guess, one can pick and choose what to use as an indication of your Loyalty to God (?).

* I met many a good Scout in my time as a Jamboree Chaplain, but none with THAT sort of faith.

YiS

Once upon a time, Our UC organized a visit to the USS Constellation, a civilwar era sloop-of-war. Not a frigate, I won't go into the distinctions here. Berthed in the Baltimore harbor, the USS Constellation runs ovenight programs for Scouts, Cubs and school groups. You bunk down as a "powder monkey" or (adults) a "Landsman" and are signed on as a 1855 crewman. The accomodations are similar (hammocks or deck, biscuits and beef stew for dinner and since we're in port, some fresh fruit) to the period. The Quatermaster and Master at Arms takes no guff from landlubber conscripts. You work the rigging, run cannon( one is fired in the morning), stand night watch. After you are mustered out, the troop or pack can tour Fort McHenry, visit the Civil War sites in the area and the B&O Train Museum.

Wooah! That's dedication! Thank you for being there... and there... and there... and over there... I can only hope my fingers are so agile at that age. It's been very good to (vitually) meet you! YiS

Ah yes, my favorite summer job, raft guide. Lotta water under THAT raft.

* Find the made for tv/video movie "Same River, Different Day". Very good river running scenes,(some where WAY out west) family movie. Some old friends get together for a last fling of summer trip, sons and ex's come along, look for the "room with a view" episodes.

* Good beginners trip, on the Shennandoah and Potomac, past Harpers Ferry. Look up River and Trails Outfitters in Sandy Hook MD. and Shennandoah Outfitters in Front Royal, VA.

* More advanced trips on the New river in West VA. Gauley is down there, too. Ask about water releases from the Pipe Stem Dam, they'll think you know what your talking about!

Keep your feet in the raft, please!

I know that our CSDC always passes out a requirement list that has a proviso in caps to the effect "ask your Cub about the activities. Some of the listed requirements MAY not have been passed due to weather, etc. and therefore need to be completed at home" . I don't think BLs are "given away " at our CSDC. I think the camp staff does a bang up job (99%volunteer with a tiny budget) with what they have. If anyone has a concern about honestly earning a badge, speak to your camp staff and find out.

Welcome shortad! Check out the Uniform Police threads, and thus put your query in perspective.

As a past CM, I must say that , yes the Cpatches don't fit "appropriately" on the blue shirts of those Cubs of lesser stature. Be prepared (where have I heard that before?) to either resew the patches on a larger shirt or adapt in another way, in coming years.. The "Badge Magic" does work, and allows one to redo the patch on the next shirt (see postings about that, too).

Oh, did I say "lesser stature"? Don't EVER let your Cs think they are "lesser" in any respect but size. That changes with time. Teach them pride of their uniform. It will represent their accomplishments and the patches will eventually (I hope and pray) in later years remind them of good times and good friends. Remind their parents to REMOVE the badges when they seek to recycle or otherwise retire that old blue shirt. Those patches will someday be a keepsake that they will, come college days, let them get all dewey eyed and embarassed when they see'em after 10 or more years. I remember being saddened when I came to a thrift shop one time and found a full dress Webelos shirt hanging up for sale. Who lost their history here? Was it an unthinking mom or disgruntled dad? I would never know. I'm sorry I didn't buy it for the sake of it.

Good luck and God Speed to your Pack. YiS.

When my daughter and son were much younger and smaller, it was not unusual for them to come up and say "Gimme a cookie!" ( or toy/drink/icecream/or ...). As an attentive parent, I certainly want my children to have what they need, but maybe not everything they want. Darling, intelligent urchins that they were, they soon learned that daddy didn't react well to demands, but reasoned requests, politely made often got the item requested. So the previous DEMAND ("GIMME MY COOKIE NOW!) became "Daddy? could I have some cookies and milk ,please? I've got my chores done!" The skills of diplomacy, negotiation and courtesy became more apparent as they got older and matured.

So, when I see the oft posted sign/bumper sticker/flag demanding that "GOD BLESS AMERICA" I find I am not surprised when of late it appears that such blessing has perhaps not been happening so much as before.

Perhaps if we were to politely make our request, we might see more of such.

"Please, God, would you consider blessing America? We promise to do more of those chores we missed of late!"

Another variation to scratch headabout:

On the local Memorial Day parade, witnessed Scouts and Cub Packs marching. Tan Shirt Epaulettes occupied by both blue and red loops. Webelos Scouts that are still in Pack but dedicated to a Troop?

Gets pretty intense on the forum, uh?

My boy time Troop did three things: Tents were a personal thing. No Troop owned loaners. 1) We did have a few shelter halves represented, I seem to remember a few Vet parents who were of the opinion that if they were good enough for THEM, they were good enough for US. Because of weight, convenience and ratty factor issues, The boys were led to one of two possibilities. Buy OI Scout tents (canvas, the Explorer model and the tarp was a favorite) or, for a time we 3) made our own tarps: 10x10 6mil black plastic lined with some really tough duct tape and set grommets in corners and along the edge and in the middle, depending on the personal design.

Floors were not an issue back then, I guess.

And my wife wants me to heal quick so i don't waste so much time on Scouter.com (surgery on my foot. Gotta keep it up for a while...)

Never heard of this Flag subscription service. Very original.

When our troop decided that the popcorn market around here was saturated (Way cheaper at the store,too) we decided on Christmas wreaths. We settled on a company in the Northwest out of Scouter magazine. We've had good luck with it. We take advance orders fom friends and neighbors and order stock upfront to sell in front of local stores. Make upwards of $4000. profit each year. All done in early november, delivery by Thanksgiving (cool weather) Needs: one very well organized parent for ordering and record keeping and one parent with a large garage or at least backyard to store wreaths when they arrive under a tarp. (by UPS semi) and parcel them out. The trick is timing. Try to have them arrive friday and parse them out saturday for the store front sales and personal delivery to neighbors etc. We do two deliveries.

History: In my boy Boy Scout days, our Troop would meet early on a saturday morning. A couple of the Troop dads would go to the Krispy Kreme with their station wagons, come back with 1000(!)dozen still warm donuts. These would be divided up and two Scouts would go out with a dad or mom and 20 or 30 dozen thru the neighborhoods and SELL door to door fresh, warm, gooey Krispy Kreme donuts! I will admit, the first time we did this, we got some strange looks, but soon , we were EXPECTED! What a treat! We would easily sell out by 11am and come back to the church. Take that, Girl Scout Cookies! Hah! Troop did all its fund raising this way, least wise while I was a Scout.

YiS.

*Please refer to other threads about meritbadges, Uniform shirt collars and Uniform Police*

When I was a CM, I had gentle discussions with parents about uniform use. The uniform is a 'method',yes? The parent would ask why the uniform was important, and I would try to explain how it encourages pride in being a Scout, being part of a greater whole, how it represents to other Scouts (and the world?) what Scouting is about. Done right, it is a walking diploma and billboard. It shows what you've accomplished and where you've been. Hopefully, the First Class Scout looking at anothers First Class badge knows that boy has the same basic knowledge and skills that he has. The uniform sets the boy apart from the rest of the world and also includes him in the rest of the Scout world.

My present Troop, prior to my joining with my son, decided (voted, they tell me) to allow boys who have attained Life rank to wear the red 'activity' shirt to Scout activities as a privilege. They are still expected to wear Class A to CoH and other'formal' occasions, but it has been my observation that there is very little pride in appearance since the red shirts appeared.

When my wife started being drawn into Scouts, taking training for various positions, she noted to me that she thought she got more respect from the other Scouters when she wore a uniform shirt, and more respect yet when she started to have more "frou-frou" on it. Me, I guess I never noticed any difference since I ALWAYS had alot of "frou-frou". I noted to her that the "frou-frou" represented her newly acquired experience and responsibility. Isn't being proud of your accomplishments part of Scout Spirit? Then too, I've met a few Scouters with enough 'frou-frou' that they almost didn't need a shirt to attach it to!I remember one old gentleman at Jamboree who came with eight shirts. He said it wasn't a matter of laundry, he just had too many knots, badges, etc for one shirt. Then too, where's the line demarking being too prideful (a Scout is humble...?)?

I marvel at how some Troops are very Gung Ho about looking good("sharp") and some are really laizzez faire about uniform use. Some get really creative. Full Troops all wearing red berets, all in matching neckerchiefs, etc. I frankly can't see the use of the embroidered loops. Badges of Office are created and worn on the left shoulder, yes? But then the Troop could vote to only wear Chicago Bulls team shorts and T's, couldn't they? Would THAT Troop still be a SCOUT Troop?

We now have matching green T's for work sessions and such. I think the boys like that uniform informal formality.But embroidered shoulder loops? Maybe I need some gold braid on my shirt cuffs...

I find, paradoxically, that I agree with every thing that's been said here. It depends on the situation. As the opportunity presents itself. Forgiveness and understanding is always appropriate. Maybe we don't know the whole of it. Don't embarass anyone publicly. Set a good example yourself. When in doubt, look it up or ask.

Forgive me, friends, but this sort of discussion always reminds me of... (movie trivia question)

" BADGES? WE DON' NEED NO STEENKIN' BADGES!!"

Ahem...

" Teach.. your Scout to sew... your Daddy's patch... will never fall off...

and see ... him stick his thumb.. he's not so dumb... he'll beg

his motheeeer... and...

don't you stop to ask him why... he'll just look at her and cry..

til she gives in and sews it oooon and he'll tell her "Mooooooom, you

know I love you!! " ( apologies to CSN&Y)

** Is there a sewing mert badge??**

I found this hanging next to a Friends fireplace. Perhaps this should be in the SM Minute section? For your consideration...

"Lighting a Fire" by John Oxenham (1852-1941)

Kneel always when You light a fire,

Kneel reverently and Thankful be

For Gods unfailing Charity.

And on ascending Flame inspire

A little Prayer which shall upbear

The Incense of your Thankfulness

For this sweet Grace of Warmth and Light!

For here again is Sacrefice

For your Delight.

Oak, Elm, and Chestnut, Beech and Red Pine Bole

God shrined HIS Sunshine and entombed

For you these stores of Light and Heat,

Your Life Joys complete.

These all have Died that you might Live:

Yours now the High Prerogative

To Loose their Long Captivities,

And Through their Long Captivities,

A wider Life to Give.

Kneel Always when you light a fire,

Kneel reverently.

And Grateful be

For Gods unfailing Charity.

YiS

Campcrafter: Howdy.No, Ihave not received your PM. I've sent a few and never received a response either. Are they supposed to come in to your personal email or what? I think perhaps my spam filter might deny the PM. Is there a place to ask a question of our administrators?

Meantime, Ns are a non problem in our Troop . When you can 'lose ' it and not find it, you don't have to wear it, do you?

Go for it. I am in agreement. When the collars appeared on the uniforms, they made it hard for a neckerchief to fit appropriately, or "uniformly". Choices: N over the collar? collar points stick out from under. N tucked under the collar? better, but it doesn't seem to lay right. Turn shirt collar under, into shirt and N over shirt? looks better yet, but the collar is 'bunchy', as my son says, and is scratchy. I have tried ironing the collar so it stands up and stays inside the N but that doesn't stay. I even tried (forgive me U police) doubleback tape behind the collar to help it stand up, but that wilts in the heat.

Alot of the boys in our troop forgo the N for all the above reasons ("The shirt has a collar, whats the dif?" ) and conveniently lose the N in the detritus of their room at home.

Anyone else remember all the uses the HBfB listed for the N?? First aid sling, signal flag, sun bonnet, hanky, dust mask, swim trunks (took two!), ankle brace, strap for broken bone splint, etc. Now the N is a 'collectors item' so ya dasn't get it dirty, and the boys complain about wearing it, no matter the occasion. Cest la vie.

Whoa. The depth of the discussions here never cease to amaze me.

I was privileged to serve as a Chaplain at the National Jamboree last summer. I met alot of very talented, caring and accepting clergy. As it happens ,I am not "ordained" clergy. My fellow Chaplain of the same faith (also not "ordained") and I had the same duty as any of the other 150 or so Chaplains. We sat with homesick Scouts, listened to troubled adults and youth. We arranged services for our faith.

One of the badges the Scouts could earn involved attending the "Relationships" tents. In here were represented faiths and clubs (Rotary, American Legion, etc.) that had some connection to BSA. The two biggest groups were demonstrably the Catholic Church and the LDS.

My duty here was to welcome Scouts and help direct them to the faith of their choice if it was present, or if not, speak to them about their faith in REAL general terms, and then sign off on the requirement of visiting the Rel Tent (and earn their "G and C" rocker).

I met quite a few Scouts who expressed the idea of "shopping" for a faith, and more than one or two who were "not sure" about God and all that stuff. Was I 'evangelical'? I tried not to be, did not feel it was appropriate. Now granted, the Scouts at J were a self selected group, (dare I say somewhat elite?), but I found myself wondering how diverse, how homogenous they were. I met a few Troops that were purely Jewish, purely LDS, darn close to all Protestant.Mixed in were a handful of Muslim, Hindu and Bhuddist Scouts. There has to be a certain self selection, but if you live right next to the synagogue and the next Protestant Troop is miles away, what should a nascient Scout do?

If we ask a Scout to promise to do his duty to "G and C" and they don't yet know what that duty is, should they be REMOVED from Scouting? Perhaps they finally decide that their duty to THEIR god is to NOT believe? Is that contradictory or just too philosophical or is it being really TRUSTWORTHY to their REVERENCE?

My wife started out being not too pro Scout until she met me and decided that if I was the result of Scouting, perhaps she could rethink her opiion.... She is now a trained day camp director, but along with me has issues with BSA about inclusiveness.

How many of you folks are familiar with Campfire as a response to BSA's lack of acceptance of all children, regardless...?

"From out the mouth of babes". 'Nuf said.

YiS

I like that. "Trust but verify". You have to go with your gut feeling, but stay within BSA guielines AND be sensitive to the troop adult commitee concerns. The NAES should know of your concerns and be honest in his desire to be open with you. His Scout experience is valuable and not to be wasted. Good luck to you and your Troop.

As a past CM, I'll suggest a couple of "games" for you.

#1 We would open our P meetings with a flag ceremony and then one of the boys would lead the P in the Cub Promise and Law of the Pack. Do this: Write the CSP and LotP a word or two at a time on 3x5 cards. Fold them in half and throw'em in a bag(I did one bag for each, but you could mix 'em up). Just before the Cub starts the Promise or Law, step forward and say "hold on a minute! We ask our boys to recite the LotP and the CSP each time! I'd like to see if our PARENTS have been listening." Here, walk around and have each pareent draw a card out of the bag. Ask the parents to arrange themselves in proper order for the CSP or/and the LotP,silently, WITHOUT SPEAKING. And when they are arranged, to say it correctly. You can allow books if you wish. The boys will get a real kick out of it.The adults will be semi embarrassed, but THAT's THE IDEA, RIGHT? You could do the same thing at your Den meeting.

#2 We made small ID cards for the boys (something to put in their wallets!) with the CSP on one side and the LotP on the other, space for their name and address, CS logo. Make 'em look legit. Practice it together at the Den Meeting, with the card in hand.

Have fun. YiS, SSScout

Our Council just opened a new mega Cub Scout camp. The price for sodas in the machine in the Council store just changed from $1. to $1.25. (20 oz.) Is there a connection here?

Eaglebeader:

You sound sensitive and sympathetic to your 'new adult ES'.

If you know his past history, is it unreasonable to assume others are aware of it as well? I would not be so concerned with 'keeping an eye on HIM' as being sensitive to others reactions to him. How accepting or prejudicial are they? I tend to think NAES is very aware of others eyes on him. Any rumors or talk among the SCOUTS? Some times my son will keep me posted on things that 'don't sound right' to him among the troops and then I can bring it up in our adult committee meetings (or in the "parking lot committee" meeting). Make sure NAES is 'appreciated'.

"by their fruits shall ye know them".

Works at the pool: Try a "Steal the Bacon" variation amongst the 'swimmers'. Use a volley ball. Use personal topics instead of numbers("everyone who was born in January" " ... if you normally wear glasses" " If you have a sister who's a Girl Scout" etc. ). Use your magination for topics!

YiS

When playing poker/euchre/hearts/I doubt it/spades/cribbage the card most needed will be a substitute joker with grape jelly on the back.