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As the sag wagon driver for a canoe trip on the Shenanndoah, I dropped of the group at the start camp site and commiserated with the trip leaders. Co-ed group, non-Scout. We stayed the night and the next morning checked equipment. It was a 10 day trip. We collected (and I kept until I met the group later at the take out) portable radios, Cell phones, (except for leaders) and... wait for it... two hair driers. In our discussions, no one thought to bring sufficient extension cords.

YiS

Can Baltimore be included in the "Northeast"?

**Fort McHenry is a great visit. Star Spangle Banner and all. Thr Rangers give a great talk about the forts history, the war of 1812, flag history (when did the flag have 15 stripes?) and such.

**Next, consider a visit to the USS Constellation, the 2nd oldest US warship (bow to the USS Constitution). They have an overnight program that allows Scouts to become "powder monkeys" or "cabin boys" in the US navy of 1855. Escorting adult Scouters sign on as "landsman" or "ordinary" if you have some experience. You sleep in hammocks, hold watch overnight, work a cannon, run rigging, eat period meals ( beef stew and fruit and tack). Thankfully, no holystoning the deck. They fire a cannon in the morning at flag raising. 4pm saturday thru 10am sunday.

**The city Zoo is a neat little place for an afternoon.

**Baltimore and Ohio Railroad Museum is highly reccommended. Work on your Railroading Merit badge...BIG mechanical things to look at and crawl over. Model trains to watch and operate!!

**Accomodations? American International Hostel is available and walking distance from Inner Harbor (USS Constellation). Baltimore Council has several camps you might approach for overnights. Broadcreek is nice. Good luck... YiS

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In the interim, don't forget the Webs are the example to the rest of the PACK. They may be eager to become full fledged Boy Scouts, but they are the Leaders of the Pack! Make sure they stay for the duration (and have opportunities to teach and demonstrate to the younger Cubs). Talk about role models, woo. When the Webs Bridge over too early, good for them, but bad for the Pack.

I also think it's neat that such an 'old' thread can still elicit good discussion.

YiS

((Pant-pant-pant)) whew,,, gotta catch up...

*ahem*

"Reverence to God and reverence for one's neighbor and reverence for oneself as a servant of God, is the basis of every form of religion. The method of expression of reverence to God varies with every sect and denomination. What sect or denomination a boy belongs to depends, as a rule on his parents' wishes. It is they who decide. It is our business to respect their wishes and to second their efforts to inculcate reverence, what ever form of the religion the boy professes."

==Robert Baden-Powell, "Aids to Scoutmastership"

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If they can SAY the Scout Promise and Law, I think that's fine.

In my experience, it's more important the Scout understand what they mean and why we think these things are important. Is it "window dressing" as the old timer would say? Or can the Scout see how the WORDS apply to their LIFE? I've heard an SPL lead the SP, SL, and PoA and then go off to play the "games" after Troop Meeting. Language would be used that many felt was not appropriate to Scouts (or any young man) and when the SPL was approached about it, he found it hard to understand how such criticism applied to HIM. "everybody says it". Yeah, but as a Scout leader, he isn't "everybody".

Why do we ask our young men to SAY the SP and adhere to the SL if they don't understand them and see the reason to follow them? There's the challenge.... YiS

*CD: How very sentimental of you. Don't ever lose that touch. You will be remembered by your charges long after THEY think Cub Scouting is too lame for them. My mom was my Den mother (non PC), but I've had old time CSers come up to me and mention her to me (boy, do I feel old all of a sudden).

*I agree with JH. I would keep it "in family" and definitely scratch your head for some unique thingy he can take with him. Our Cub Pack had a tradition of creating an arrow thing for the Webeloes cross-overs, but the CM usually gave them a little something from himself, too.. In my last year of CM, I gave the crossover boys each a Scout coin, the one with the SL on one side and the SO on the other.

*FBear: Your story is a CM or SM minute in the making. I love stories like that. When my folks passed on and it was time to clean out the house, I found a faded piece of paper signed by an old friend attesting to the fact that I had attended a "Bible Camp Week" when I was seven. When she died recently, at her memorial, I did some arithmetic and figured that she had been 35 when I was seven.

*CD, when your Scout cleans out his desk drawer after his last promotion, he'll find the necker slide you gave him and remember...

YiS

Oh, the regrets and the lessons learned.

I well remember "Swami" who knows all and tells too much, all by smelling your shoe...

I set up the skit in the usual way.But we neglected to pick and plan for an appropriate fall guy,, So my Scouts ( I was SPL)went ahead and let the AUDIENCE pick out the fortune receiver. A Troop from the inner city pushed forward a TF who willingly provided his shoe. At the end, the shoe chukker THREW the shoe into the woods. And I mean THROW. Yep, it was a real expensive sport shoe. Our whole Troop went looking for it. Never again like that...

HOWEVER... I have never failed to elicit laughs with "The Ugliest Man in the World" and we ALWAYS pick out the appropriate fall guy. A DE or DD or best stuffed shirt we can find. They dare not refuse, even if they recognize the skit! Goes like this, if you are not familiar....

Man is led onto stage with big box over his head. Introduced as the "UGLIEST Man in the World". So grotesque are his features that the Army uses him to test the bravery of the soldiers, etc... One look is enough to freeze the strongest nerve!! (play it up good) So you get a "set up" to squint under the box and he faints dead away. Do this a couple of times. The stage is strewn with casualties. Finally, you get the 'chosen one' to come up ("I know Mr. Smith is up to the challenge!"). And when HE peeks under the box, the UMitW falls over dead.

Then there was the actual snipe hunt we organized...but that was a church camp...

I suppose this is what our district calls the "Webelos Weekend". With appropriate planning (each Troop sponsors some incoming Webs and sponsors an activity. Having Scouts teach and demo to Cubs is always a hit)), we have included (on occasion) an archery range, tomahawk throw (appropriate Range Safety Officers), two man (boy) saw (the cookies cut off make good souvenirs. Watch'em work!! ?Working on a branding iron for marking them? Make sure the saw is sharp and true.), a Whittlin' Chip corner, camp/ tent set up demo with discussion for parents about equipment choices, camp cooking (dutch oven brownies and twisty bread).One time we were able to have a black powder muzzle loader demo. Nature study demo (tree ID, Poison Ivy ID among others), monkey bridge setup w/ pioneering demo, try to include a chance to earn some Webelos pins. Map and compass course, knot tying contest and a fire building contest were included. Tug o' war is always fun. Don't forget the opening and closing ceremonies and some awards to the gung ho troops and Scouts. Camp fire on Saturday night (natch). Skits and a talented SM minute... AND a real bugler adds a lot of color and camp atmosphere.

OH! And PATCHES! Don't forget the patches!

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Yep.

As a WDL, I had the same "discussion" with my boys and parents once or twice I had to remind them that the requirement is the requirement. Easy enough to play Flag Football one afternoon. It was educational to me to learn the SLIGHT rule differences between Softball and Baseball. A family picnic afternoon got the Softball game done.

Are you having fun yet? YiS.

The more I remember, the more I realize how fortunate (blessed, lucky, etc.) our Troop was. One of our Scoutmasters had a brother in law whose cousin knew a fellow that had a uncle.... that owned a sufficiently large piece of property some distance from our stomping grounds (but not too far away). Over the space of a year, our Troop built an Adirondack 3 side cabin with old phone poles (one dad worked for the phone company), capped a natural spring (several plumbers)laid out trails and orienteering compass courses, (surveyor), established four Patrol sites (five, counting "Staff") , dammed up a stream for a pond to get wet in (farmers), dug a privy, and over the next 10 years or so, went to Council camp, and our own week long camp. I'm not sure but that we would have preferred our own camp except for the larger waterfront in the Council camp.

I had the good fortune to bring my son to see the remains of "Camp Freedom" last summer. It is now a religious retreat center, and alot of the trails and campsites are still used. But the cabin is long decayed and the spring is plowed up.

When in doubt, design your own summer trip or program... .YiS.

A very desirable problem.

I like the idea of the "extra" belt length attached to the vest...

Here's some other ideas....

*Take'm all and wire them together ala chain mail and wear THAT as a vest?

* Take your Vise Grips and crimp the BL around the shoulder holes of the red vest like shoulder guards. Did that to some of my sons extras.

YiS

Our District has earned a reputation for serving up very successful Cub Scout Day Camps, and this past week is now no exception. Takes organizational work? You bet. What is the one thing to which I would point as the biggest reason for our success?

Asking.

*Ask your friends and relations to help. They may be or may have been Scout people. A nurse becomes the Camp medico. A scientist friend becomes the nature pavilion guy ( he was a Star Scout waaaay back when).

*Ask at your Church, Temple, Synagogue. Don't limit your asking to Scout types or Scout venues, but....

*Ask at the Round Table, at the Pinewood Derby, at the Merit Badge Day. Get your Boy Scout helpers, too.

*Ask REI, and they provide a "leave no trace" program.

*Ask the State Police, and their medivac helicopter lands and blows everyones hat off (talk about impressing Cub Scouts!) and talks about search and rescue and umpteen horsepower jet engines...

*Ask the internet and find a local Racing Pigeon Club who take over a pavilion and regale the Cubs with bird stories (who knew it was so interesting?)

*Ask Home Depot and they provide building kits for 250 Cubs AND the personnel

to lead the Cubs in building bird houses and model planes and space shuttle pen holders...

*Ask the fellow you work with and it turns out he knows somebody who has a friend who belongs to a remote control model airplane club. They come and exhibit some super models and FLY loop-de-loops over the Cubs at lunch time.

*Ask the Den Walkers who are milling around in the back ground and lo and behold they are dying to help young archers and fishers and modelers ("didn't know I could...").

*Ask the Park Ranger and by golly everything is fine, he had no idea what was scheduled that week, he's new to this park and gee, it's been a long time but he used to be a Scout and...

*Ask the pilot of the lake boat to act like a pirate when the Cubs ride in her boat ("you mean I can?")

*Ask the local Coffee shop and the manager was an Eagle and how much Joe would you like each morning?

*Ask to local Super Grocery, gift cards good for staff morning donuts...

*Ask the local hardware emporium and get 20% off anything you need. Special Caution tape? have it for you tommorrow...

*Ask the fellow that had the near fatal accident a while back and now he raises parrots that do tricks. Be glad to come out. 15 parrots at a time!

*Ask the company with the eye catching ad in the Sunday paper magazine and wow a 70 foot tall hot air balloon appears one morning on the atheletic field.

**HELP STAMP OUT NOBODY ASKED ME** (motto on a button I got somewhere 20 years ago)

*Ask... and it (and they) will come....

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Goodgootamooga. Volunteered to help, willing to help, qualified (we assume... age, rank, experience, etc.)and NOT ALLOWED? I really don't believe that. I believe I would try to have a polite conversation with the "leader", perhaps with a friend in tow (parent?) and find out the truth of the matter.

**I know our District activities (Camporee, Day camp, lotsa etc.) would NEVER turn any qualified help away. There's always some where to put a willing pair of hands, some apprentice slot with an experienced person, some desk checker, gofer, runner, "chief asssistant smile encourager" place for a able willer.

** buddy-3, all I can suggest is forgive the implied affront, smile and make yourself available the next time. Your time and skills and abilities will be needed in the Scout world the next time, I betcha. YiS

Jackson Browne, Roadie song.

Grateful Dead "live" Truckin'

Does Chuck Berry count for "Jammin'?" how 'bout Johnny B. Goode.

Jackson Browne, Roadie song.

Grateful Dead "live" Truckin'

Does Chuck Berry count for "Jammin'?" how 'bout Johnny B. Goode.

Howdy Its Me: As a past WDL, I can sympathize. 1) Check with Council and District about"Webelos Weekends" and Webelos Sleepaway camps. Both are a good low impact(to the Cub, not necessarily the woods!) camping experience. They can end up with Web pins and a good feeling about BSA camping. The WW should be attended by WScouts and a host Troop. The week long camp should be attended by your Den as a group, often combined with other local Wdens into a Camp Pack. 2) I hope the mom continues to keep the Gameboy "thingy" so the boy can pay attention to the world around him.

Keep us posted on your progress. YiS

In my alternative life, I am out in the public space alot. I was approached by a gent in a shirt emblazoned by a pro football team logo. He asked me "Hey, you like football? How 'bout them (insert pro team name here)!!??" I smiled and said yeah, I like to play FB in my back yard and watch a good game on occasion. I then said I had no real interest in watching someone play FB who is payed more in an hour than I'm payed in a year. He hesitated at that comment, then asked if I played in school. I said no, I marched in the band. He then proceeds to regale me with a list of his HS football record. I said yeah, keep those memories bright.

Entertainment is right. For info, I listen to Limbaugh and Amy Goodman on "Democracy Now" . Get all sides and don't limit yourself to only one version of "good news".

"its for the kids" Bob the Tomato said that.

"follow the money" Deep Throat said that.

"find and watch the movie 'Z' " I said that.

YiS

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There always seems to be two perspectives:

"Back when I was a Scout..."

"This is what I see now..."

#1: My mom had been a Campfire girl, my dad had never been a Scout. But when I wanted to join Cub Scouts (so they told me, I asked to join. Perhaps from a school presentation), they whole heartedly supported me and our Pack and then Troop. Dad made things for us, drove us around, coached our CS softball team. Mom was a DL.(DM!). Our basement was a Patrol meeting room, equipment storage place. Altho we lived in a nascent suburb, Scouts was one of the biggest things to do. I also marched in the HS band (others of my Scout friends were on sport teams, etc.), so yeah, we had choices.

#2 Times change. My daughter never took an interest in GS, perceived as "too dorky" First wife never supported the idea.. My son took to CS easily, both from my encouragement and a school promotion (they were still allowed). Second wife and I were DLs, she CC and I CM. The other parents in the P were supportive, but many were strapped for time and money. Too big of a house, too big of a mortgage, IMHO. "Gee, you know about these things, We don't" Good job thanks CM!" When it came time to move on into BS, no one was willing to pick up the reins, so the P folded. Our DE ( an otherwise excellent Scout) said they would not chill the charter, even tho all the Cubs had moved on or dropped out. The DE and DD labored for several months with various promotions to resusitate the P to no avail. No interest in the school community. Been two years now. Is that indicative? of what?

Our present Troop is very active, as a Troop. The 4 Patrols are not that active as Patrols. We have 12 new "crossed over" boys and things look good. But more on that later...

"All I know is just what I read in the papers, and that's an alibi for my ignorance."

= Will Rogers =

Give me more ignorance, F.

YiS

Yes, it depends on the boy and the Troop and the SM. But...

If he looks to be into rough and ready stuff, get him interested in Summer Camp, but maybe not the Patrol cook your own type. If he can enjoy the SC, he's in. Find a Troop that NEEDS a Venture crew, help'm start it!

Oh, and is 57 too old to be in Scouts?

YiS

?Class A vs Class B vs ...C ..D...?

?Field vs Activity ?

?Formal vs Informal?

?Dress vs Play?

?Tan vs (pick your T color)?

?Dress vs Field?

?Classy vs Messy?

?Good vs Not so?

?BoR/CoH-go-to-Meeting vs Stay-a-home?

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"It's for the kids" ... Bob the Tomato said that.

Welcome to the Forums... the addiction is palpable.

* Cast around and see if you can find a Mediator that is Scout savvy but not attached to Troop1 or Troop2. This situation cries out for an unbiased observer. Go to the local Bar association and ask.

* It occurs to me that the bad feeling will linger, no matter the actual conditions of the split or the 'percieved' conditions of the split. The DE and the SE will each bring their own biases to the situation, I feel, and may not be able to give the Solomon's decree that leaves all with a good taste in their collective mouths. Perhaps the last annecdote illustrates why the "rebel" Scouts of Troop2 left Troop1?

* "Follow the money" ... Deep Throat said that.

* "Smile and wave as you go by" ... I said that.

YiS

Thank you jkhny.I aapreciate your efforts. I would recommend the movie "Z" to anyone reading this thread. YiS

Two deep... Printed out directions... Check points... FRS radios... Cell phones... Lunch/dinner schedules... aha...

* May I present a personal story to illustrate another unmentioned need? HEADCOUNTS.

* Pre cell phone era... Our Troop had attended a Camporee at a rather remote camp, some distance from our home grounds. Three days two nights. On sunday afternoon, we are the last Troop out of the camp. A three hour drive home ahead of us. My dad is the last car of our Troop 'convoy'. Lo,what's this? Here's a lone Scout, all his gear stacked beside him. His Troop was long gone. No one else around. No pay phone (no one would be at home any way). Well, he's not far from our area. Always room for one more. Old Ford Station wagon. One adult. Six boys. All the backpacks, tents, poles, Patrol cook gear. I volunteered to be shoehorned in with the packs in the back. (seat belts? wadda they?) Lots of stuff on laps. We had a good time on the way back, but our new friend learned what "the brotherhood of Scouts" really meant. YiS

Certainly a Lifetime Memory. Questions:

* Why was the Jambo stage flanked by the German National flag colors? Wunderbar!

* Howcum the staff picnic caterer couldn't realize before hand that even his truck drivers would need background checks? Thank you Edys Ice Cream!!! (Did you get your Edys IC badge??)

* Only one bad personal memory ( I won't count the Alaskan tragedy as personal here). I was coming back to Mahone and passed the OA theater. A Troop had had their lunch in the field along the side of the road by the lunch trailer and left every bit of their wrappers and trash in the spot where they ate. I couldn't believe it. I pointed this out to another group of Scouts and together we cleaned it up.

* Had one MP sargent challenge me for riding my Scout Staff issued bike on HIS road. Had to walk back from the parking lot! (okay, make that two bad memories).

* Met Scouts from Kenya, Jamaica, Japan and Canada.

* Shared ideas about disablities (we are "temporarily abled") with the disability exhibit (my dad had only one arm most of his adult life).

* Marveled (reveled) in the ability of Scouts to rise to the occasion in adversity.

* Mountain Boarding? High lining? Wow!

* Just a few things... YiS.