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New this year, the latest uniform inspection sheet from national accords 15 points to a handbook: ... without any further specification as to where it might be placed on the uniform. Perhaps it can hang from one's belt -- opposite the rack for the MB sash. Suddenly, a patrol of scouts looking sharp for a parade or an honor guard at a memorial are only 85% uniformed if they each don't have a SBSAHB? How on did this tome become part of uniforming? A couple decades back, we had a UC turn scouts away from a BoR because they didn't have book in hand. That kinda makes sense. But, no that I think if it, we never went up (literally, my troop was housed the basement of a manse and our committee met in the parlor upstairs) for a BoR with BSHB in hand. Did any of you?

Of course, one upstream reason for camp sell-offs is the increasing cost to hire qualified youth staff. So, any such deal would require hefty contributions from a local Leadership Foundation. Most such foundations might at least buy into covering registration fees of qualified applicants. If you've paid to be a member of BSA until you're 13, why not pay only $5/year from age 14-18? But, @David CO, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Compensating youth for an intrinsically rewarding program might be inappropriate, but compensating young adults who put their careers on hold by saying "no" to an overwhelming work schedule may be quite appropriate. Let's dream of doing one better. Pay 1.5*interest on student loans while every qualified 20-something serves as an ASM or SM. Qualifications would include First Class rank, at least 2 years of college or trade school, and full time employment or part-time employment and part-time enrollment in trade school or college.

And this is where scouting must catch up with the locally sourced attitude of the 21st century. A guy in my hometown makes custom backpacks ... for profit! I bet he'd gladly have a troop visit and learn to assemble their gear. I bet he's not the only one. No offense to the hardworking Vietnamese laborers who assembled our USA Contingent packs for Osprey, but there is something to be said for "patrol built, patrol carried." Metalwork, welding, textile, and backpacking in one fell swoop.

I'm not entirely certain that COR's would behave parochially. A well-managed board would encourage partnerships across CO's in the narrow domain of scouting ... even if they otherwise compete with one another in other spheres. A council who successfully engages COR's will likely have them encouraging other organizations to consider fielding troops. In the failed motion to get my church to sponsor a unit, it the CORs of other churches in the denomination encouraged our board to adopt the motion. Perhaps where I fell short was in not getting a COR to present his/her experience. Building use was the primary concern, and a COR testifying that their scouts left the facility better than when they found it would have gone a long way.

BSA up and got itself pegged as faith based, so it does not have access to the federal $ that B&G clubs do.

That's a really nice camp BTW. It surrounds a nice trout stream which is accessible to the public. It wasn't just Bucktail council who was robbed, but the entire community.

Some of our units' numbers are already four digits. There simply is no none-size-fits-all solution to this non-problem.

Sorry, @ParkMan, I cited where a previous poster quoted her. But that post has been subsequently revised. Many at national leadership are on record as being very much opposed to a co-ed program. Mike Surbaugh was one of them. I understand how @njdrt-rdr would like to see it as new-troops, cut-and-dry. BSA does ... but I've felt that that's for marketing purposes so they can blather on about starting all these new units. But many are in effect an additional patrol to an existing troop. And pitching that it's a parallel to asking dens or districts to have the same number is a trip into non sequitorville. I agree that the alphabet is hard. That's why some councils opted for appending 4 to the number. On your numeric pad 2=B, 4=G and I guess we could also add 3=F and 6=M without any loss of ambiguity. The question then becomes, do you foist it on everyone, so you now have to thank Pack 872, Troop 872, Troop 992, and Troop 994? Indeed, I would have far rather the program name remained unchanged, and declare that we are starting a new program. BSA4G was my choice. Heck, we could have repurposed "Team" to designate the units.

Before going to World Jamboree, I thought that co-ed was inevitable. Not so much now. My troop of boys saw a variety of configurations -- in some cases a country's girl-scouts and boy-scouts camped together for just this event. In other cases events like this were nothing new. And, in other cases it was a little weird that opposite sexes could not share a tent at Jambo. There wasn't all that much excitement that we just opened the program to girls. I didn't get the impression that our boys were considered backward. I did get the impression that other country's boy scout and girl scout programs play a lot nicer together. So, assuming that the 10K other BSA members at WSJ got the same impression, there's not a lot of push for change. There will always be rogue troops who will thumb their nose at Ellie Morrison and live co-ed under the linked banner. But, it will take a generation of girls who work the program to decide if that needs to be pushed nationally.

And Mickey's men's store. The first pen-knife I ever bought was from there. Mr. Bruno stopped selling scout stuff there because, at least in our area, BSA started cutting exclusive deals with JC Penny. If BSA stopped trying to big-box it, and would focus on exclusive delivery to small and minority-owned businesses, it would go a long way to producing good will on the side walks of this city. Frankly, a really nice catalogue in every barbershop (every few pages with a Boys Life or Scouting article) could change the face of scouting in this town.

Yeah, @njdrt-rdr, it doesn't flow very well. But this was permitted in response to boots on the ground. Numbers usually track with the CO. So, each of the CO's units -- be it a Pack, Troop, Crew, Post, or Ship -- asks for the same number. And those numbers are held with a lot of pride. To give someone under the same roof a different number is tantamount to telling them they aren't one of us. To ask someone to change numbers in the face of a merger is asking them to abandoning their heritage. (I've been in the middle of such shenanigans for as long as I've been a scouter.) With the addition of BSA4G, units demanded an option to be linked, by number, with their female counterparts. In retrospect, maybe we should have thought of a parallel name for "troop": squadron? platoon? eyrie? Regarding your immediate problem let's try thanks from : Troop 87, Pack 87, Troops 99b, & Troops 99g Troop 87, Pack 87, &Troops 99 (b&g) Troop 87, Pack 87, & Troops 99 When I acknowledge the youth who help me place flags at the cemetery, I include the GS Troops and their long numbers. If they all became BSA4G units, I'd save ink (well, pixels).

It is truly maddening. When youth are surveyed on depression ratings, American youth report the least sadness compared to kids throughout the world (although the difference between USA and UK kids was so small as to be deemed insignificant). Yet, when they decide all their good days don't amount to much, US youth can dispatch themselves more efficiently than any other youth in the world. We've walked a long road with a friend whose son got a hold of his dad's service revolver when he and Son #2 were 16. It's hard to describe the void when you reminisce about sitting on the porch watching your two 5-year-olds play, and you think that only one is going forward. We stop by her shop from time to time (as Mrs. Q and Son #2 did last night) and she loves to see us. It means the world to her. She sees bits of him in his brother, his classmates, and his teammates and it means the world to her that his buddies are growing strong and good. Needless to say, much of our discussion with scouts is about valuing their lives and letting their peers know that their lives are valuable and not to be squandered. "Cheerful" isn't just about skits and songs. It's a survival skill.

This falls under "too early to tell". Let the scout visit. Maybe he knows some of your scouts. Maybe he likes your activities. Maybe his troop is linked to a troop for girls, and he's uncomfortable with that. There could be a thousand reasons. And only a half dozen might be ones that the other SM can fix. After you meet the scout, and maybe you compare notes with the SPL or whoever talked to him, you can decide if the SM needs a heads-up. FWIW - I talk a lot to other SMs and we have a good feel for what our boys are doing and why they might want to switch troops, or not. We might not name names, but at a campfire or roundtable we might even say, "Gee, one of my scouts might like your troop/crew." And, we follow-up on who has switched and make sure they are doing okay. The best way, IMHO, to handle this is to have the scout try and plan an activity with the other troop.

I don't think so. SB is not supposed to freak out over such things. In any case the forum discussions.scouting.org primarily answers SB questions. So, you'll get replies from volunteers who've been working with the product a lot. (Although, some Luddite scouter occasionally comes along and spouts off rhetoric about independent patrols, MB class limits, and insignia dorks. )

Interesting thought. If COR's had more weight what might have happened? More or less ... consiliatory attitude toward the three Gs (Girls, Godless, and Gender Discordant)? will to "lock-in" advancement at age 18? acceptance of the New Scouting Program? layers of protection from abusers? efficient communications? FOS participation? marketplace of ideas? merger and acquisition? This no doubt varies by council.

Yes, get to know your registrar. Order her one of those JTE gold patches!

Following on @Jameson76, a key area that National will be forced to revisit is supply. Publications will need to be lean, printed in black and white, and use plain text where possible. More newsprint, less magazine. Obviously, online redundancy is a given, but print still has power. Otherwise, MB pamphlets would have been pulled from shelves long ago. Beleaguered camp properties should be grown into forests or other ecological preserves and assigned a resource harvesting schedule. This is typically what is done to tracts that by law revert to the estate of the donor. But, if BSA actually owns the property and can get the correct resource designation, a judge could order that creditors can only be paid from a portion of the sales of resources as they are scheduled to be harvested. This will require some state and federal help to obtain the proper land designations. The down side: it will make it harder to develop things like aquatics playgrounds, grand buildings, and other big-ticket facilities that donors would rather put their name on. The up-side, scouts will have access to unique camping locations, albeit in smaller numbers than the usual densely packed summer camps.

In Western PA, we got around that by throwing Hail Mary's and catching Immaculate Receptions. 🤣

Or someone is lying through their eye-teeth to look good. Either you have 30 units or 22.89. Ask for the list of unit leaders. Check the ones who showed up at last month's roundtable or klondike. The rest? Call each leader. No answer? No unit. Scratch that one off of the list. Make a copy of your edits, give the copy to the DE and tell him/her to fix it before you announce at the next RT that your district's JTE is a lie.

Kudos to the secularist who thought up that one.

My Master gave strict instructions to set aside the judging of hearts ... it's above my pay grade. But, as @mashmaster notes, that's quickly forgotten among practitioners. There has been a lot of "digging heels in", and most of it traces back to the Cold War. That's why this issue seems like it's a hundred years old. It's been closer to fifty years old. Anti-Muscovite Christians pressed the issue, non-Christian patriots pushed back. Scouting become less an outlet for what Baden Powell coined "practical Christianity" and more an arm of the American religious. With every lawsuit BSA won, it lost a little heart. If going far back in time matters, the very word "God" finds no origin in a particular religion. It's what missionaries (and, no doubt, merchants and others) found to be a close enough term used by Northern European people of the heath (from where we get "heathen"). Could the grander and greater thing in an atheist's world view fit the ancient notion of "God"? It's hard to say. Ancient Christians were stoned to death by Romans under the accusation of "atheist," but eventually gained respect as decent citizens. So, there's precedent ...

Why stop at Eagles? Why not all those who earned 1st Class, Star, and Life while with this troop. Invite every former member. The rosters have to be out there somewhere! Otherwise, I really like your program. I think you should then have a sing-off. Scouts from yesteryear could form up in heir old patrols and present a song or skit. That should liven things up!

Well, he never met some of my scouts! But his point still resonates. The movement is a net good for this country.

I find that if I'm offering up what I believe to someone, asserting that they can't believe what they claim they believe undermines that dialogue.

A 10k budget ain't all that much for a large troop. And those are probably a lot of weekends to get a job done. Even in a small troop, when broken down into scout-hours, it's probably a week of work to pay for one or two big trips. Did anyone else notice scout working in full uniform? Somebody give that kid a patch!