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Beavah (and those who agree) have hit the nail on the head here and kudos to you all for having the guts to stand up for what is right and say what so many think but would not dare say. I have not had much experience at the troop level but will soon, however I see this problem come up a lot with Cub Scouts. We teach them at such a young age that this is all you have to do to earn this. Rather than showing the boys that this is the intent of the badge and here is what you can do. BSA leaves several things up for interpretation and they obviously expect for a reasonable human being (or at l

By the book you are not supposed to hold to leadership positions at once, but if it is necessary you can do two jobs you would just be a registered leader for only one of those positions. On the practical side of things, doing more than one job can often be taxing and can cause you to get frustrated and even burned well before your time. You will definately want some good help so that you don't spend all your time doing things for scouting and forget to enjoy it with your son. As far as which position you should register for that is complicated. You have to have a registered CM and

geilerc has it exactly right. When I boy moves into the program no matter what rank, the first thing they need to do is earn their Bobcat rank. At Webelos level this should only take a couple of weeks if the boy is reasonably with it. In the past we have had one of the ADL work with any new boys on their Bobcat after and/or before meetings so they don't miss out on Webelos stuff. The boys often move faster if when new if you are helping them and sted of telling his parents, here do this. The second thing to do is for him to start working on Webelos requirements. If he is starting as a fir

Okay, first I am not knocking woodbadge, so please don't come out with swords blazing assuming that I am saying woodbadge is bad or a waste a time. From my observations at district and council level I just don't see what the big deal is. Again, I haven't done any national training or any training out side of my council, however I have worked with some scouters from other councils, but these are my observations. Is woodbadge really all that is hyped up to be, all that I have seen is it seems to bring people closer together, to form a kind of resource circle for scouters. It doesn't ma

You can say that I need to chill, but that would be like running around waving a red cape in front of bull and then being upset and blaming the bull for charging you. You began by saying "I would have left your pack too". You may disagree with how I handle things but don't attack me and then get upset when I retailiate. Yes, I would protect my children no matter what! However, in this case all I did was obey the law, we asked if there was anything that we should know and offered to help she simply didn't want to share nor want our help. There is nothing that we could nor should have done

eagle77: Not that this has anything to do with the topic but I do feel the need to defend my position. What the YMCA did in your case was not only wrong and stupid but illegal. If there is no custody agreement than both parents are the legal guardian and you cannot deny rights to one of them based upon the wishes of the other. If this where the case than when I dad was mad at mom he would use the kid against her, denying her the right to see him or vice versa. Not that doesn't happen already but it would become more common practice. Bottom line is that both parents are guardians unle

I don't know of rules this violates. As long as there is an adult there, in fact is this boy is not a Tiger than technically no parent has to be at the meeting however it is a good practice to have some one there. If there are a Tiger encouraging having some consistancy with who stays with him would be ideal but it is understood that not all circumstances can be altered in a way that would allow this. It is better to have him in scouting with a different person each week than not to have him at all. As far as camping is concerned the G2SS says this "In most cases, each youth member will b

Thanks for all the help everyone, I think I was on the right track, I just really wanted to assure myself by having some one else in the boat per say. I will make sure if the boys show improvement, be it nominal or just in technique they will earn their badge. As far as the comment on not not having to do it but on day 1 and day 31 and that I making it too hard. If the boys can't handle doing the exercises 4 times (once a week for a month) then they aren't going to be able to handle Boy Scouts at all. The purpose of doing it each week was to show them where they needed to practice a

Herms, Let me see if I understand what you are saying. I will use an example of curl-ups: Week 1 - 30 Week 2 - 35 Week 3 - 40 Week 4 - 32 So in this for this example, are you saying this is improvement and this part of the badge should be checked off on?

Well I am still not quite sure why they require pull-ups for this badge. I know it is designed to get them ready for Boy Scouts, but there are not a lot of 4th or 5th graders who do even one correct pull-up. I have several boys who play multiple sports and are very fit for their age and they still can't do a pull-up. Seems to me that they should change it to a dead arm hang or something else that tests upper body strength more in a 10-11 year old range.

I did a search on this and found a post on the Webelos Athlete Badge, however it did not cover my questions, so I thought I would post it to see what everyone thinks. My den is working on the physical requirements of the Webelos Athlete Badge. We are two weeks into it (I am tracking each boys progress) and I plan to give them hand outs on what they need to how they are doing, so they know where they need to improve. Requirement 5 says: "Do as many as you can of the following and record your results. Show improvement in all of the activities after 30 days." My question is what is

Well, in 40 years a lot of things change. Perhaps nothing in your district our council has changed or is better run then they are here. Our council has no need for the funds, the don't provide what they should with the money they have, so why we would pass it along to them, so they continue to do a poor job. This money will allow us to compensate for many of the shortcomings of the council and our district. We are planning on getting training material, camping gear for the boys, and allowing for some uniform and camping scholarships among other things. Scouting is a movement, however we I

Our Council allowed our Webelos to attend (particpate and camp) the Council Camp-o-ree last year. In the past they have said that it helps prepare them for the patrol method. This year however, they have said no Webelos (neither camping or participating). They didn't give me a reason, so we registered our boys anyway and are planning on attending. If they "catch us" then I will ask again for a reason. To me it is crazy to say yes one year and no the next but we seem to think it has something to do with the fact that last year they only had 2 Webelos Patrols (our Pack and one other) and ou

For what it is worth we only discussed the DQ option with the Pit Officials (leaders) and no one except the parent/child involved was informed. We usually give back the papers that we keep track of score on but didn't this year so we keep things under wraps. We did our best to fix the mistake and to let everyone know about. To all the other boys and parents present, they just assumed that car didn't win.

For what it is worth we only discussed the DQ option with the Pit Officials (leaders) and no one except the parent/child involved was informed. We usually give back the papers that we keep track of score on but didn't this year so we keep things under wraps. We did our best to fix the mistake and to let everyone know about. To all the other boys and parents present, they just assumed that car didn't win.

I have stated multiple times that we are using our own Pack Rules. We do use some of the guidelines that come in the box, but not all of them. Therefore I nor any other leader broke any rules by DQ'ing the boy after he passed inspection or not giving him a chance to fix the problem. The only reason I fell bad is because the father made the mistake not his son. The boy probably had no clue and thought it was great that he was racing with his dads wheels. Again, I admit that we should have caught it but a rule is a rule. So I guess the lesson that some of you wish to teach the boys is that

jet526, Have you been to my Pack? Are You in my Pack? No, so shut-up man. You can hear the small portion I have told you and make a stab at how my Pack is run. People like you who claim to let the boys do everything rarely do, and when the actually do it is only because they are to lazy to do it themselves. Do our kids have fun, of course they do, they love the pinewood derby. Do we let them put the cars on the track, no way. If you let your cub scouts do so much, great for you, personally I think that is just stupid but it is your choice. Do you let your boys teac

Yes, 5K is a lot of money. Our CO is a church and in the past we have had no problems with people donating to the church, using their tax id and then they forward us the funds. I know if the council gets a hold of that money, whether or not it is stated that it is to go to our Pack or not, they will end up keeping all or part of it, which is just not right. I hesitate on doing a plaque. Only because they are giving us money, why would we then take money to get a plaque made for them, I know we a plaque is relatively cheap but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I think we are going

BeaverIII, I definately agree that the derby should be fun and that it should be for the boys. That is why we created an adult race this year so that parents might not take over there son's car in a hope to regain their glory days or in obsession to win. I think giving some of the dads a chance to race helped them let the boys do more on their own cars. It may not be true in all packs but in ours the derby is a big deal. It seems to always come with some bit of controversy. Last year we told a boy that he had the wrong axles on his car (he was using a full axle not the "nails" that c

So basically if it is either the funds for us or a knot for them. Well thanks for the info., not what I wanted to hear but none the less it is an answer. I guess we won't be mentioning the knot to them because we don't want the council taking our unit money. BTW, yes they will be making the contribution to our CO with the money going to the scouts.

Not really sure if this is best place to post this but I am hoping I can get an answer to my question. We have a leader whose company is looking to donate to our Pack. This contribution would be around $5,000. I was talking to him and saying that we might be able to present the company with a James West Fellowship Award for their contribution. Is this right? This is the information I got from US Scouts: James West Fellowship Award - Worn by those honored for their personal donation of a minimum of $1000 to a local Council Endowment Fund, or honored by others with such a donation

Our rules are handed out to each parent in writing and they state that: "Cars must use the stock BSA wheels that are provided with the Pinewood Derby Car Kit. No after market wheels are allowed". It goes on the say that: "Wheels may be lightly sanded on the rolling surface, to remove burrs and/or small defects. The BSA logo must remain visible on the outside edge". There are more but these are the two that we pointed out to the parent. I don't see a whole lot of play or room for convienant interpretation in our rules. Yes, the inspectors made an error, but to be fair to them they where ch

We just ran our annual pinewood derby on Saturday and given some changes that where made from years past most things went pretty smoothly. Until the very end. Let me give some background as to how our derby works. Each car runs 4 races within its den (once in each lane) and then the 3 cars in each den with the lowest score (1 point for first, 2 for second, etc.) are moved up to the finals. Since we have 6 dens, we ended up with 18 cars in the finals. Each car is then numbered from 1-18 and a matrix is used to race each car 4 times to determine an overall pack winner. Everything ran great until

Obviously the TheScout stand is doctrinal and not Biblical. The Bible does say that all have sinned, of course some Christian religions (I dare say all) over look the parts that either they personally don't agree with or that there doctrine doesn't agree with. TheScout, if you have an scriptural basis for agruement, please do share and prove me wrong.

Neal, That may be what your council says and/or allows but our council requires flush toilets. If I where to fill out a form where sanitary toilets where within 300 feet, they would still want to know if they where flush toilets. Perhaps it is different where your at, wish it where different here.