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At this point in time we have no intentions on splitting the pack, we will thin out some, but no matter what we have worked hard to have a strong pack and don't plan on handing half of it over. What I meant by the statement they don't "show well" is that there presenation of themselves comes across a little brash. The husband is unshaven most of the time, they don't iron their uniforms and only wear part of it (that is all they can afford), and they smell like cigerette smoke (they don't smoke around any of the boys though). Is it fair for us to tell these leaders who have worked har

Perhaps I was not clear. The boys father told his old pack did not use internet advancement and therefore his advancement would not be on ScoutNet. I don't know how the old council worked but the dad told me that he already tried to get the paperwork from the previous council and they don't have it. He should have a card for each activity pin and his rank right? I think I am going to ask if he has those and get copies of them. Of course this will mean that any partial badges will be lost but I guess that is the penalty for losing his book.

You can always tell when scouts start back up again because the problems just roll in with the boys. Our pack has grown significantly this year to 110-120 boys compared to around 60-70 last year. With that growth we are having to make multiple dens at each rank. Currently we have 2 (working on a third) Tiger dens, 2 Wolfs (possibly needing a third), 3 Bears, 2 Webelos 1's (need a third but probably won't happen), and are at the breaking point for 2 Webelos 2 dens. I am the WDL, also the ACM, and will end up being the CM when my Webelos 2's cross over in February. I say that so you

I have a transfer that just joined my Webelos 2 den, he moved here from out of state. His dad said they searched high and low but somehow in the move their book got lost. He asked me what kind of proof that his son achieved certain badges and achievements he needed to provide me with. His son has activity badge pins on his Webelos colors and his Webelos Badge on his uniform but other than that they have no way really prove what he has done. Of course he said the pack he came from was small and did not use internet advancement which would provide digital proof. My response to him wa

Obviously the ideal situation is to coordinate schedules to parents/boys don't have to choose. If you do have a den campout and a pack campout on the same date then parents with boys in other ages group will probably end up taking their boys to the pack, if that is even an issue. Realisticly and practically speaking, to me a den campout for Webelos is far better than a pack campout. They are more focused around the Webelos, what they want and are able to do and toward their advancement. It also allows the boys to bound more as a patrol and get them ready for Boy Scouts which is a WDL's go

John, Our COR is a paper figure only, we only see maybe once or twice a year. The only time he steps in is when there is a problem with the scouts and the facility. It is not our packs job to help another pack start up. I agree that if there are enough parents and boys to start a new pack that is closer for them then to do it. But for us to use our resources to help them do this, especially after they just flopped a few months ago is crazy. As far as the recruiting booth, we are not allowed on school property at this particular elementary. We have scouts and scouters in uniform

John, Our COR is a paper figure only, we only see maybe once or twice a year. The only time he steps in is when there is a problem with the scouts and the facility. It is not our packs job to help another pack start up. I agree that if there are enough parents and boys to start a new pack that is closer for them then to do it. But for us to use our resources to help them do this, especially after they just flopped a few months ago is crazy. As far as the recruiting booth, we are not allowed on school property at this particular elementary. We have scouts and scouters in uniform

We just recently had our Fall recruiting at our local elementary school. We are in a relatively small but growing town and have 2 elementaries (one that won't even let us in the doors, only pass out fliers to drivers during meet the teacher) and another elementary that we inherited in a town about 10-15 away because their pack folded last year. We are good sized pack (the biggest in our district and probably close to the biggest in our council) and had about 50-60 parent/child combos show up. I did the timeline of a boy and gave the speech that with a pack this size we need leaders not ju

ScoutNut, IMHO counting Webelos only camping toward summertime pack is cheating the system. Just because the pack promotes it, the entire pack is not able to attend. Since only Webelos can go it is a den or patrol activity despite who promotes it. Our pack promotes our Webelos Resisent camp but too but we would never try to count it as a pack activity. If the Bears are going to a climbing center to climb and it is mentioned a pack meeting to increase attendance is that a pack activity. No! It is den activity. If you are counting things the way you are then I am sure everyone in

A Pack event does not have be something that everyone attends, nor does it have be something that at least so many people from each rank attend, it should be something that at least all ranks have the oppurtunity to attend though. This was my original post. As I stated, I don't think everyone in the pack has to attend an event for it to count, nor should at least so many people from each rank have to attend for it to count. What really matters is that the event was open to everyone. Such as in our case, Webelos could attend the Resident Camp and no one else could. That is not right

I think many of you misunderstand what I was saying as far as counting Resident Camp as a summer Pack activity (except for SctDad). It is really not right to count something as a Pack event if not all the Pack is eligiable to attend. In our case resident camp is for Webelos only so to count that as Pack event even though multiple boys from our Pack went isn't right because Tigers, Wolves, and Bears could not attend. A Pack event does not have be something that everyone attends, nor does it have be something that at least so many people from each rank attend, it should be something that at

Although we haven't finished completely we have used Leather bracklets Baskets (acutally ended up being the hardest for the boys) Bamboo Windchimes Hot dog/marshmellow roasters (bent coat hangers with handle) for the non-wood projects. We also used pinewood derby cars for one of the wood projects and we haven't done the last wood project but the wood ones are usually easier.

Our Council told me the main reason why Webelos weren't allowed at Camporee was that the Boy Scouts where doing shootgun, rifle, and axe throwing which Cub Scouts are not allowed to do. Which made me feel a lot better about being told we couldn't go. As far as attending a Boy Scout campout, there have been no problems here. Our Boy Scouts only take the 2nd year Webelos so they don't have as many young boys to worry about and it helps give them more one on one time. Pack212Scouter, I believe you have misread the requirements for AOL. It states that a boy must attend at least one

SctDad, To be fair you shouldn't count Resident Camp as a Pack activity since not all can attend. Since your Tigers are not allowed to participate that really doesn't make it a Pack activity, where I am at it is considered a Council event not a Pack activity. They do this mainly because we don't camp as a Pack nor do we really spend anytime as a Pack. Struax, Once your boys cross over from Wolves to Bears then any activity they do (even during the summer) counts toward their Bear achievements.

Our district is the largest in our council. I am not sure exactly how many packs we have but at least 20. Several packs come to RT and are very involved with the training, no problem with support there. Others come when there is a big training they need, and others I have never heard of because they don't attend anything. I am hoping to either go to a Pack meeting for these hard to reach Packs or at least sit down with the CM and talk to them about what training really is and what we offer to help them and their leaders. Obviously I will push our 2 trainings a year, and the training at U

Being a somewhat new leader with no real BS history to fall back on, I found that attending training and getting into a network of others leaders was really beneficial. Having a class that helps promote inter-Troop/Pack relations would be great. Especially at the Webelos level with so many activity badges, it gives a chance where one group has expertise and another doesn't. Another good thing, maybe to add to Local "go see its", is community resources. Fundraising seems to need some help for a lot of the Pack's around here. Online Advancement Recharter (online and paper)

LisaBob, Not sure what the official rules about OWL are (you are probably right) but I was told during my Webelos specific training and again at OWL that it was required in order to take Webelos camping as a den. I think it makes mention of it in the WDL book too, but again I could be wrong. I have encouraged the leaders in my pack to take BALOO at the Tiger or Wolf level, then OWL at Bear level, then IOLS at Webelos level so they get the most benefit. Few follow this because they think it is more training then they need and that the they will learn the same stuff 3 times. When

Eagle92, I don't know if you read my mind or if you just fell into the same trap I did. I just took the position of our CS Training Chair (District not Council) and have been wondering what I can do to improve things. One thing I think would be helpful to getting fully trained leaders is the opportunity for them to do Intro, How We Have Fun, Specific, YPT, and Weather all in one sitting. We run into a lot of cards that we have to hold because they don't have all of their training done or they didn't bring in their paperwork. If they have a chance to sit down and do it all then most o

We do 2 outings per month to give the boys the option of what they want to do and to provide alternatives because of family vacation schedules. We usually do a hike each month, we do a baseball game in July, we are planning a swimming party as well. We have done small service projects in the past but the turnout was so small it made a lot of work for a few people and the leaders ended up doing more than the boys. Pretty much anything you can think of as long as the entire pack is invited. You could do a campout, fishing, or even a belt loop day where you get together at the local park and

Pack212Scouter, I don't know if it differs from council to council, but in our council Day Camp and Resident Camp can't be counted toward the Summertime Pack Award since they are Council and/or District events not Pack events. I would be careful about counting these events before talking to council because it could nulify the award(s). We had to turn a boy down for the award because of this very reason last year. He attended Resident Camp thinking it would count for July but we couldn't count it so he did not get the award.

As AlFansome pointed out, there are some guidelines for what "Active" is in the Webelos handbook but no clear cut rules. This is most likely because circumstances vary from case to case. My council in it's monthly newsletter and at roundtables said that you could not use attendance to define "Active". Although I don't agree with it, it is their policy. Just look at each boy, talk to them and their parents if need be. When we did Webelos Rank, I sat down with a boy and his father and asked them why they missed so much and we determined that we would earn his rank but he had to improve

First of all welcome to the forum and congratulations to you and your son for his accomplishments. I have 1 boy in my den with Asperger and another with full blown Autism and I have seen first hand the challenges you 2 have faced. I know you said you are a small pack, do you have a CC or a COR? What about a UC? These would be the people you need to contact and let them know of the leadership or lack there of issues. They should work to replace you with an interested adult and the UC, CC, DC should help them get trained and ready to run a successful and growing pack. You have to do what is

AKdenldr, You wanted advice and posted your question(s) on an online forum to do that. Don't get upset when you receive an answer you don't like. If all you wanted was support for what you where going to do anyway then you have re-worded your post for such feedback. I understood your post and even re-read it for the benefit of perhaps being wrong but I still don't agree with you. If you are doing to seperate achievements, ranks, belt loops, electives, or awards of any kind then the boy should do the requirement each time. It is double dipping when allow a boy to do one task and rece

I have to agree with Basememntdweller here: Not only is it lazy do one thing and have it count for 2, 3 or even more requirements it teaches the boy do the minimum. Allow I will agree that it does not directly state anywhere that you can't "double dip", do you really want to run a program that teaches a boy to bend, stretch and push the rules to meet his agenda? Most of the requirements don't repeat themselves and there is a reason for that. New skills are learned and applied in a variey of ways. When you to get to other awards and electives counting something he has already done doe

Beavah, not that you need it but you have my support on this. Even in everyday life we see interpretation and changes in laws, rules, and ordanances depending on the circumstances. Not every situation can be approached with a book, if so the BS handbook would come mail order like the encyclopedia britanica. I shall remind or enlighten some of you of the problems that McDonalds had not too far back. A company filled with books and rules that one must follow to the letter without question or modification. Some one (posing as a law enforcement officer) called managers and told them to that c