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To comment on the "tenure" issue, it is my understanding that you cannot hold two POR at the same time (I realize there are some exceptions and that this does occur because of lack of volunteers). However, when the BSA registers a scouter, do they not register him/her under the position code listed on his/her application? If I where registered as the CM and serving as the ACM too, the BSA would have my registered as the CM and not the ACM. As far as they are concerned I only hold the position of CM. If all this is true then I could only legimately earn tenure for a position in which I act

Thanks everyone for you assistance, since it is not prohibited we will be going on the trip. This is not an overnight trip. The trip is a very easy ride virtually all down hill. Not too steep but rolling, the only pedal part is the flat part at the bottom which is only about a mile, the rest of the way you just coast and enjoy the ride and sites. When you arrive, you call the place and they send a bus to pick you and your bikes up and take you to the top, when you are done you simply pack up. There are a lot of spots around where you can pull off and have a picnic, see the mountains, and

Our Pack is planning on going on a trip to the Virginia Creeper in October, for those of you who don't know (which I didn't) it is a 17 mile downhill bike ride. The trail is fairly smooth and kind of rolling downhill with the exception of some flat lands near the bottom. The people who run the place say it is easy enough for young kids, inexperienced riders and older people, nothing very strenous. At our last committee meeting we where picking leaders for all our events, I was nominated to take charge the Virginia Creeper (because I asked a question). Anyway, down to the question. W

For the first meeting, I plan on having a simple bird house for the boys to build, while my ADL's help them with that (counts toward craftsman badge) I can talk to parents. The next few meetings I will be working on Citizen, then fitness, and then when it gets cold I will be working on the Engineer Badge. Also, barring any objections we will be working on God and Family so that we can have most of the boys done with their Webelos Badge by Christmas break. We will continue to move forward with the Craftsman Badge in January and then onto Forester and Naturalist. All year long during campou

Since you still seemingly haven't caught on LisaBob, let me spell it out for you, the Aquanaut comment was designed to show people how their logic and reasoning is flawed. I agree that if the requirements say to swim 100 feet, then the boy needs to swim 100 feet to have met the requirement, very clear cut we can all agree. Now to address the real question, if a boy only comes half of the time is that good attendance? No, it's not. I would not be good attendance in school, at church, or on a sports team (where I am at, missing half the practices would either get you no playing time o

As it has been pointed out, perhaps I have come across a bit strong and dictator like. I will take the suggestions of the group in mind. I just don't understand why people keep making the suggestions that I be flexible on the attendance requirements, but yet stand firm in other requirements (Aquanaut for example). If I understand what is being said, that doing your best is sufficient in incidences where the guidelines allow for some play ("good attendance" does not leave a lot of interpretation). However, it is not where the requirements are black and white. You people are the kind o

Okay ScoutNut, let me answer you questions one by one. If 50% attendence is not good enough for you, what percentage will be good enough? 75% 100% 75% is good enough, in a month that we have 5 meetings (4 den and 1 pack) 60% will be satisfactory as long as they are maintaining 75% during the rest of the months. 50% wouldn't be a passing grade in school, nor would a 50% attendance allow them to move on. What happens when a boy shows you his work, but it is not up to your standards? I don't have standards as far as work is concerned, as a previously mentioned as long as they did

Yes, there have been some issues in the past that the DL has been lighter on than I will be, but that does not mean I am preparing for a fight. I am trying to figure out what my options are and what the potential outcomes are going to be. It is important to be prepared for everything that I can, and knowing this is a possiblity I am preparing for it. As I have stated, I will always talk with the parent and other leaders before I make a decision, I will make arrangements when possible. This is a Webelos den, so as DL, I and my ADL's are the only ones permitted to sign off on achievements.

Pixie: Here is what requirement 2 says for earning the Webelos Badge is. 2. Be an active member of your Webelos den for 3 months (Active means having good attendance, paying den dues, working on den projects). If we have meetings 4 times a month (which we do), coming twice means 50% on attendance. That would not be a passing grade in any school and it will not be a passing grade in my den. As I have previously stated, I will sit down and let everyone know up front what my expectations from the parents and the boys are, and if any one is having a problem then I will go to them a

I am a relatively new leader and I have tattoos. In fact I have 3 of them (one in which I really regret). When I in uniform (pants not shorts) you can't see any of them, most people don't know about them. In fact no one at my job or church knows because they have never seen me in shorts. When I took the boys for our pack to Webelos Resident camp, I went swimming with them because they asked me too and all of the boys in a patrol (and a few parents) got to see them. One is the Japanese sign for "menace", one is a scorpion (birth sign), and one was a nickname in high school (I do regret tha

anarchist: I respect your point, but these are not boy scouts, they are cub scouts. Webelos between about 9 and 11, the whole weekend (thursday evening through Sunday afternoon) was geared specifically toward them. That is why they truthfully will get our return business. If it where a troop, you are correct, I would not be back at least for a couple of years. eolesen: Too caught up with members first? It is a BSA camp offering a cub event, ROTC should not have been there, we did not just choose to take our boys there, the council set it all up, of course BSA should be first.

Okay Bob and Fscouter: If the new PTC knot is not about money, they why is it new? Why not retro people who have already been there? Because they are trying to increase revenue, hoping that offering knot will entice people to attend (which judging from the comments of you 2 works). I am not implying that PTC is not good training, or even that is isn't worth the money, but to offer a knot that is finicially not available to many is buying a knot. I respect knots, I think they are a great incentive to leaders and a great example to the boys, but just like the James West Fe

FScouter: I have read the requirements for the new Philmont knot. Not to get too deep into because this is not the forum for that but you either have to attend twice, recruit 3 people to attend and teach a course on what you learned or attend 3 times, recruit 3 people and share what you learned (again abriged for time reasons). I live in East Coast, I can't fly out New Mexico and then spend $300 plus for a training course just to get a knot. The teaching or sharing of information is the only part that doesn't involve money. Just a way to generate revenue, they might as well say mak

I just received my "Trained" patch in May. JM is correct, you must have: Youth Protection Fast Start New Leaders Essentials Cub Scout Leader Specific to be "Trained". Having OWL (Oudoor Webelos Leader) training is great to have and will really help you out though. Webelos camping really steps it up and having OWL helps you be prepared to assist them in success.

NJ: You are right in most instances in saying: "Even apart from "adult life", this is certainly the case in school and it is the case when passing requirements in the Boy Scouts. However, it is not the case in the Cub Scout advancement program -- the rule is "do your best." Your best. It is a subjective standard, but that's ok for an 8-year-old." However, in Webelos the activities pins have requirements set up much like boy scout merit badges. There are clear requirements and objectives set that the boy should attempt to achieve. I will award a badge if a birdhouse looks like an

I know I am going to get and hear for this comment but I believe it to be true, and I won't pull punches on my beliefs. People keeping mentioning the Cub Scout Motto "Do Your Best" and I get that and support it. But, "Do Your Best" does not mean I will win if I try hard or that if you give it your all you will achieve. Truth is that we all know, sometimes you "do your best" and give it you all and fall short. My son does his best but he doesn't make the honor role and that is okay. I have taught my son that sometimes your best is not good enough, sometimes some one is better than you, but

First off, I think perhaps I was not clear and I do apologize if I mislead anyone it was not intentional I assure you. The original situation involving boys bringing in what they have done to prove they did is true. The second aspect was just a question on how to handle the interpretive part of the rank requirements not an actual situation. I understand not penalizing a boy because his parents won't bring him, but if you just give the rank out despite the lack of being active what does that say. Other boys and parents will question why Little Johnny doesn't have to come to den meetings a

I think (despite the swallowing my pride) I will take the advice of the group and calm down before I act. I do apologize for going on such a rant about things. The real point is the boys had fun and want to go back. I will contact council and talk to them about my concerns and try to find out why ROTC got priority and not mention "not returning" to the camp. Yes, Camp Daniel Booone is a large camp and I am sure it takes a lot of money for upkeep and for activities and food. However, I honestly feel that you can't do your own people wrong by bringing in a higher paying (if that is tr

I will have to say I agree with OGE on this one, wearing knots shows kids that as adults take pride in wearing our uniforms and in our achievements, so should they. I personally don't have any knots yet but will wear them if and when I get them to show that I earned it. I do think after a while you are just showing off with more than 12 it just looks like you are sending a message that you have a lot of knots and you want people to know it. I do however disagree the new Philmont knot, that is just a knot you buy. Sure it is good training but it really isn't open to everyone just tho

Scouting Mom: This is a Webelos den. I went over the new sign off procedures with all the parents last year before they crossed over from bears and I intend to do it again when den meetings start back up. As far as defining Active as registered I can't agree with that. The requirements for the Webelos Badge say to be an active memeber of your Webelos den for 3 months and AOL requirements say to be active in your Webelos den for at least six months since completing the fourth grade (or for at least six months since becoming 10 years old), and earn the Webelos badge. It is pretty

I have no way of knowing which group signed up first. The Webelos Resident Camp has been around the same time every year though, so it would probably have been on the calendar for some time. Summer is for sure not the off season around here. It is my firm belief (whether others share it or not) that a BSA Council camp should honor its own before others. BSA has a lot of guidelines regarding Cub Scouts to protect them, then why not in this instance ensure they are taken care of. Again, I don't know if the ROTC paid more money, but it was strongly implied by the staff that this was th

Does anyone know of any Rangemaster or Shooting sports training near Daniel Boone Council (Western North Carolina) coming up. I really want to get this training down to help out in our council but it is only done once a year before Summer Camps and I missed out. We have several events in the fall and I would like to be able to help, if not I will wait until next spring. Council they may have it University of Scouting in November but they are not sure, is there a way to find out? I am willing to drive some to get the training if it means not having to wait until summer.

The advice I gave to the parents and other leaders (for some reason everyone always comes to me) was either write a letter or give a call (or both) to the Council office and let them know that they enjoyed the camp but campsite situation will probably keep them from attending next year. We are all hoping that maybe if the council gets enough complaints and thinks they are losing money they may fix things. Who knows they may not really be losing any money. Now I know why everyone comes to me, because I always seem to have an answer (thanks to all of you).

Okay, I get what everyone is saying about communicating and be open and honest the whole way with all parties involved. What about when there is interpretation involved. Such as with the being active in your den requirement. Do I sit little Jimmy and his parents down and say, hey Jimmy is missing a lot of meetings and when he is not here he can't be active in the den. I really want him to make his rank but he needs to be here in order to do that. If things don't approve then should I go to the CM and let him know what is going on and what has been down, and we sit down and talk abou

Just finished up our Webelos Resident Camp this past weekend and all in all it was a great experience. There was however one thing that left a bitter taste in my mouth and those of many of the adults and boys attending and that is where our campsite was. During our training a few weeks before the event we where informed that there would be a ROTC group there and that it meant we would not have use of some of the camp during their stay and that our campsites would likely be a "little" farther away. When we get to camp we where told we could not use the main field (in the main part of