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packsaddle: First of all, the Bible is not a story it is history. To address the difference between what Jesus did and a cheap parlor trick is that with parlor tricks that outcome is controlled. Jesus knew the outcome, He did not force things to happen they he wished, he simply knew what would happen if He possed the ultimatum. Jesus did show the men what the right thing was, He opened their eyes to the fact that everyone has sinned, we have all made mistakes, so don't jump on some one for their faults while overlooking your own. My evidence that all have sinned is Biblical. Th

ScoutMomSD: What exactly is the purpose of quoting John 8? To whom and what context do you think it applies? packsaddle: It is clear that you have no understanding of the Bible, perhaps knowledge but no understanding. Jesus knew exactly what would happen before He did or said anything. Secondly, all people have sinned and deep down we all know it, whether we choose to admit it on the surface or not. This was not a hate crime much in the manner that you described your alternate senario. The woman mentioned was caught in the act of adultery and by Jewish law she was to be stoned.

This is one of the things that differs from council to council. The G2SS does not mention anything regarding flushable toilets, just to maintain council regulations. However the BALOO leader is a must no matter which council your in. In our council we are required to have flush toilets and running water to camp. Also, we have to have the campsite approved by council along with the tour permit. I don't always agree with the toilets rule but with Tiger Cubs I guess it is probably better to be on the safer side.

DanKroh: Way to prove an important point (not brought up here but none the less true), that despite an extensive vocabulary one can still be ignorant and downright stupid. Although I do applaud your use of the thesaurus. At no point was I backpeddling nor remending any of my comments. I was thanking some one for understand that my faith says that I am correct in my actions and that others are wrong, just as his says he is right and I am wrong. I didn't simply say what I was thinking, I was asked a question and I answered it with honesty. I will not water down my answer because i

Novice_Cubmaster: Thank you for you response, finally some one who really understands what faith is all about. Faith is believing what you say you believe in not matter who it offends and what the consequences are. I appreciate and respect anyone who will stand by their believes admist the fire. To the many others who seem to want to comment on my beliefs and imply that I am not being tolerant. Not allowing me to make the comments I choose to make based upon my religious beliefs would make you intolerant of me. I do not push my beliefs off on anyone, including my children. I gi

ScoutMomSD, IMHO, yes, it my job as a parent it the job of every parent to religiously educate their children. I believe that Jesus is the only way to heaven, so yes Jewish parents that don't teach there children about Jesus are bad parents. As are any other parents that mislead their children with false hopes of what will get them to heaven. If I didn't believe this I wouldn't have faith. I really don't want to get into a religious debate but I will defend against attacks.

I teach my children (7 and 10) about Jesus because as a parent that is my job. Whether or not they choose to believe or make a profession of faith in Christ is theirs. That is not removing or hindering any of their rights, it is the basis of faith and freedom, that they will see what is right and choose to follow it. Besides, children don't have all the rights that adults do. That is why schools are aloud to get away with limiting so many thinks they do without 'violating their rights' because they simply say those right don't exist to a child yet. Does a child or anyone for that ma

Lisabob: To be fair you did say that the boys DL did not have a say in this. Maybe I missed it, but what exactly is your role in the pack? Are you the Committee Chair, Cubmaster, or Charter Org. Rep? If not I would say that you need not do anything because it isn't your responsibility to deal with this issue. Supposing that you ARE in one of those roles though... That is from your earlier post. As far as my other comments, they stem from comments from Knight saying: As long as there is some spark there (ie, not complete rejection of the Almighty under any name or form), he can cont

First of all, if this boy is an atheist then everytime he has said the cub scout promise he had lied and his parents have looked the other way. How can you promise to do your duty to God if you don't believe God exists. He might as well say he promises to be kind to all unicorns and leprecons. Secondly, he can't complete the requirements for his Webelos rank because doesn't believe in God. There is no religous emblem for atheists (no Me and Me or the Big Bang and Me program). That leaves out 8d as an option, so he must do 8e. There are no parts of 8e that an atheist could trully and hone

Lisabob, I agree that all things need be cleared up and that there should be a consensus of exactly what this boy and his family's beliefs are before continuing. Assuming this boy is a true atheist: Although you comments seem to be having the feelings of all parties involved and they appear to be in the spirit of scouting, the parents of this boy can not simply sign off of this. First of all, this is Webelos, the Den Leader is supposed to be signing off, not mommy and daddy. How would this be getting him ready for Boy Scouts, saying hey if the requirements don't fit get mom

NeilLup: I can understand your concerns and perhaps even your experiences with burned out Webelos. However, perhaps you or whomever you are drawing your experience from went about it in the wrong way. Boys need to experience or at least have the chance to experience all that scouting has to offer not just what the leaders and/or parents care to show them. I will have gone through 19 activity badges by the time my boys move up, some parts are homework but a good portion is done in patrol meetings. Every boy has a chance to sample everything and when they come to something they don't like,

NeilLup: I can understand where you are coming from worrying aobut the boys burning themselves out by doing too much. So far this year my boys (Webelos 1's) have done 10 badges and will have done 15 by the end of the year. Some of them are do at home badges, and others have been short and easy badges due to the help I have. Doing all 20 badges with my boys was their choice and they are having a fun, I feel they are getting a chance to sample a lot of different things instead of doing what I pick. When they become boy scouts they will know what they like and pursue that, and they probably won't

The 13-550 is the right number, it is the exact book the instructor used. However, my problem lies in the fact that I can't get a hold of one of those books. My council (whether they are right or wrong) says they can't get me one and that I can't buy one. When I looked online at scoutstuff, I can't find it there either. So I really don't care if I am supposed to or not supposed to have the book, rather where do I get it.

The past weekend I took the Cub Scout Shooting Sports Certification course at our local University of Scouting. The instructor read out of a book (blue cover) that I believe to be the BSA Shooting Sports Guide but I did not see the cover nor did I think to ask. He said that we should all get one, then when I went to talk to our scout store and some people at council, I was informed that the only people who get this book are those who attend National Camp School. I was told the book wasn't even sold through national, so basically there was no way I could get it, unless given it. Does anyone

We had a problem with our OWL training in my district. Both OWL and BALOO are held only once a year, OWL had to be postponed due to the "gas shortage" and such a long drive to council camp. They rescheduled it for November and it is closer, however it is on the same day as BALOO. When I called council and spoke to the training chair they said it was the only date they could get and not to worry because if I took OWL I could use it as BALOO for all camping purposes. So the next time I fill out a camping form not only do I have the OWL that I should have but I have the BALOO that I have to have,

I have a friend that works for AB Emblem and they manufacture a lot of the patches that are used for scouting. My Webelos Den became a patrol and we are having a custom patch made for them. These patches may not be BSA approved patches but they are the correct size and everything and made the same way as every other patch is made so I am letting them use it. It cost us about $50 for 50 patches (that is the smallest number they will make for you), but that means each boy in the patrol will get 2 patches, one for uniform and one for the back pack or something at around $3 each person and st

I think you may be reading more into this than what is intended. You can use Outdoorsman toward the Webelos Rank, because it falls outside of the Physical Skills Group (Fitness) and Community Group (Citizen). You can not use Readyman since it is the Community Group with Citizen. If Outdoorsman is used toward the Webelos Rank, when AOL time comes around you are going to have to do another badge. There must be 8 badges earned to achieve AOL. Citizen Fitness Outdoorsman Readyman One from Mental Skills Group One from Technology Group One of choice and another one of c

Just a question, what do you do for a scout who is an atheist. Is there a Me and Me program or the Big Bang and Me, for them? i personally think it is a good idea to challenge boys to practice and explore their faith in every aspect of scouting. I don't know about some of the upper God and Country programs but at the Cub Scout level, you do not have to attend a church to earn the emblem or to complete the requirements for advancement. Those who don't attend church simply have to either find a church to do it with or find some one qualified to do it with. We are planning to do our God

My Webelos den just became a patrol, they are the Wolverines. It doesn't have any prolific deep meaning, but it is what they wanted. We are working on the citizen badge and to show them some rights (like voting) I let each boy nominate a patrol name (some didn't) and then we voted for the one they wanted. It was a chance to tie everything together and teach them that this is there patrol not mine and within reason they get to make the decisions. To add a little extra fun and "coolness" to the whole thing, I gave each boy a sheet with 6, 2" circles on it and am letting them design what the

Yesterday evening, after seeing that the registrar was obviously wrong, I called the guy who is handling the DE position (we don't have a DE right now) and he said that finishing the 5th grade was the cut off. He also went on to say that if the boy, parents, and I wanted to put him on an accelerated program we could but we didn't have too. In fact he said if the boy was 15 and still hadn't finished the 5th grade he could still be a Cub Scout. Thanks for the info ladies and gents.

I have already spoken with the council registrar and she told me that once he is 11 that he has to move up. However, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense, I have several boys in the correct age/grade that have birthdays in October, that would mean they had to crossover before the end of their Web. 2 year. There has be something in writing some where to spells this out. Personally I thought if you didn't turn 12 during the current scouting year you could stay.

I am the Webelos 1 leader for my Pack (I know Webelos are Webelos, there are no 1's or 2's), and I have a boy who is in 4th grade and was held back a year. He is currently 10 and will be 11 on July 14 of next year. My question is what is the age limit for Cub Scouts? When do boys have to move up to Boy Scouts? I am trying to figure out if we need to have a special program for him so that he can reach AOL before he has to cross over.

We are in Daniel Boone Council in the South East. I know that a lot of our stuff is cheaper down here, our camp was $60 for boys and $45 for adults. You got a $10 discount for being a leader, I think in total I paid $105 ($10 extra for an adult t-shirt). It was 4 days and 3 nights like everyone elses. It was a good quality program, they didn't skimp on anything. Our Cub Day Camp was $60 for the week was $15 discount if volunteered for at least 3 days. It ran from 8am - 5pm. They had snacks and t-shirts, the only thing was as others mention the Pack picks up awards and we had to pack our o

Thanks for all the input everyone. However, one problem is going to be is this is a Pack trip, not just a den outing. I may have Tigers or maybe just Bears and Webelos, I have no idea and we can't fairly call it a Pack event and exclude some of the boys, especially when we are speculating that they wouldn't be able to make it. Secondly, not trying to be selfish, but I can't afford to drive up to Virginia to check the trail with gas at $3.75 a gallon around here. This is supposed to be a fun outing for everyone, the only thing I know to do is to require that parents attend, so t

I have to agree with the majority here. Although, as stated there are no direct instructions saying not to count things twice (except in some Webelos achievements) why have 2 different achievements or electives if you can do one thing and count it for both. Obviously, this is highly opinionated, but if why have requirements 3A and 5E (in original example) if building a reciple holder would count twice. The child is only learning how to bend the rules and take short cuts, which by the way will prove to be a big disappointment in higher ranks. I didn't allow my son to get 2 for 1's and neit