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Just wondering here if this extends to advancement. Does your unit allow youth to sign off on requirements or is all testing/evaluating done by adults? Also how do you reconcile the idea that the youth are supposed to be competent enough to elect a person to office, or in the case of some offices appoint this person with the advice and consent of the SM, but not competent enough to admit they made a mistake and remove that person from office? LongHaul

>>What about an SE who requires his DEs to call every scout who is "lined thru" on the recharter roster. If the parent says, "yes we still want to belong", he is added back to the roster and the unit sent a bill for the fee. It doesn''''t matter if the scout hasn''''t been seen in a year. << Not only would we not pay the "bill" I would have my COR contact the SE and DE directly and REMIND them that the CO must approve the chartering of every person on the roster. If that roster and subsequent charter was altered after I and the CO signed the document it is FRAUD on the part

OGE, I like the approach and think in the long run it can work but it''s your Council''s NEXT annual report that will tell the story. According to the info at http://www.minsitrails.com/Documents/Newsletter/Jan2007/final.pdf the new mandatory requirements didn''t go into effect until 2006. As I read this the weeding out of untrained leaders took place this past January with the 2007 charters. As you are a member of this Council, am I reading this wrong? LongHaul

If the boy transfers to another unit we forward his funds to that unit. If he ages out but stays active he can use his funds to pay his leader fees for Summer Camp, Philmont etc. Money is never given directly to scouts or families. We do allow for the reimbursement for Scouting related equipment. I can see Beavah''s point on this and accept it is a valid concern however when we sell popcorn for the benefit of the council, the unit and the prizes, gift cards etc that individual boy gets where does the money come from for those prizes? If he buys a tent from his end of the sale it''s wrong but i

Subject: Recall Notice - Cub Scout Immediate Recognition Kit > > Statement from Boy Scouts of America, National Office > > A routine test of Boy Scouts of America products has shown that one > component of the Cub Scout Immediate Recognition Kit, No. 01804, contains > unacceptable amounts of lead. > > The kit contains a decoration that is worn on a boy''s uniform shirt, not > typically placed in the mouth, ingested, or in contact with the skin. No > illness or injury related to product use has been reported to the BSA or > the >

First I''d like to know why a MC is telling a DL anything. Unless this MC is in fact CC or COR it''s not his/her position to be telling the DL what or how to run his/her den. As far as regs on Den accounts the final say rests with the CO and how they view the situation. Money raised by the den LEGALLY was raised in the name of the CO with the understanding that it be used to fund the den activity. This makes the CO accountable to the parents of the den members, legally responsible to report said funds as income when filing their yearly financial statements IN CERTAIN STATES. As the Pack is the

infoscouter, The decision to be with his age group or grade level is the scout''s and his families decision UNLESS it is a LDS unit which follow a different set of guidelines. How LDS handle gifted and educationally challenged scouts is dictated by religion and not National policy. My youngest son skipped second grade, why would a Pack require that he skip Bear and go directly to Webelos I? Had he been asked to repeat first grade why would a Pack require that he repeat Wolf which he had already earned? There is no National policy that stipulates a one or the other Pack wide system for

John-in-KC, I was a youth member from 1960 Thur 1967 and our troop was entirely Boy Run. We had adult support but the boys ran the meetings,taught the skills, and the SPL evaluated youth leaders. If someone was not doing their job the SM (my father so I know) was asked to formally remove that boy from office. Yes before the SPL got to that point efforts were made by the SPL to have some youth member help the problem scout and yes on occasion an adult was asked to 1 to 1 mentor the scout but that was a decision made by the SPL not the adult leadership. Back then the average scout looked differe

From a while back in this thread Brent Allen asked; >>Interesting how the two different councils are handling that issue.

PeteM, >>So, If he doesn''''t care to have contact with the leaders of his troop, then he is considered ''''in-active''''.<< I''ve read the noted material in the Advancement Proceedures publication several times and I just can''t find where it says that. You can interperate what it actually does say any way you like but it will not change what it actually does say. As has been noted in previous posts to this thread the phrasing by National is meant to be as inclusive as possible and "paid up +active". LongHaul

OGO, as long as you accept that he is on your inactive list because YOU chose to place him there. What National has said basically is that as long as his registration fees are paid the ball remains in your court. Don''t accept his registration fee but if you do then you must continue to contact him on a regular basis or not hold it against him for advancement. LongHaul

OGO, you missed one in your examples of "what if a boy stopped showing up" What if a boy stopped showing up to school? should we call him? should we send someone to his house to try and contact him? should we engage the parents? Should we try and exert some kind of pressure on this boy to return? The answer is it all depends on how important you think attendance at WHATEVER is in the long run. I think Scouting is very important. LongHaul

I am truly amazed at the predominately negative responses hotdesk has received. For years I''ve been reading threads about boys that want credit for POR time when they have done nothing except accept the position originally. We have gone back and forth about National''s position that time accumulates unless the boy has been officially removed from his position AND that time accrued between accepting the position and being removed from the position counts toward POR time served. We have gone on infinitum about Boy Led and empowering the SPL and PLC. Along comes a PLC that wants to do something

>>Boys who have completed second grade, or who are nine years old, are eligible to join the Bear Den. At this point they begin earning the Bear Badge. Once a boy turns nine years old, if he has not completed the Wolf Badge he can no longer work on the requirements for the Wolf Badge... only the Bear Badge. This keeps the boys in the same age group working on the same level and activities.<< There is a little wiggle room with Cub Advancement. National uses age and grade distinctions for a reason. If a boy is gifted and skips a grade he is not required to also skip a year of Cub Scou

When looking at requirements and sometimes even laws we use the tern "intent". What was National''s intent when they extended the effort of putting a definition of Active in the new Advancement Procedures publication? Why was this definition necessary? If attendance at meetings was intended to be a factor why not state that? Why would National instead word it''s definition so that they call attention to registration, disciplinary expulsion, and unit leader engagement but nothing else? As always we as unit leaders can do just about anything we want in interpreting the requirements without fear

>>If a boy doesn''''t show up regularly, he has not been "engaged by his unit leadership on a regular basis" due to actions of his own choosing, and would therefore not be considered active

Lisabob, District Committees are not supposed to recruit from direct contact scouters either. As a MC you are not considered a direct contact leader but can you accept that your District Committee duties take time that may be devoted to your unit? Over the years I''ve seen too many scouters burnt out by trying to fill too many positions. As a UC how many units are you responsible to/for? IN my area it could be anywhere from 2 to 6. That''s a lot of hours if the job is done right. If your District position requires weekly time what is left for the unit? The people I''ve always seen as the Commi

The link I sent was not from my council, Chicago Area Council will be the last council to comply with this. The only way I see CAC putting this into effect is if the sale of our final camp (Owasippi) actually comes to pass. We would have 35 million in the bank and National could effectively cause such a drop in numbers to justify disbanding CAC and merging it with the surrounding councils there by being able to take control of the funds. The quality of training varies from district to district to the point that the same course can be presented totally different. I think before mandatory traini

Lugnuts Dad, Hold on to any and all of the immediate recognition badges, the warning asks that we tell parents to remove them from the boy''s shirts and hold on to them unitl notified by National. LongHaul Scout Badges Recalled Over Lead Concerns DALLAS, Oct. 4, 2007(AP) The Boy Scouts of America said Thursday that a painted, plastic badge commonly worn by some of its youngest scouts is being voluntary recalled after a test revealed high levels of lead in the paint. As many as 1.6 million of the badges, which are made in China, may be affected by the recall.

Aquila, Being RECOGNIZED at a quarterly banquet is not the same as having to wait until the quarterly banquet to receive your rank advancement. So there are only two people present when you physically get the badge why is it diminished if all the parents and scouts are present when you are recognized. In the Troop the Court of Honor is when we present the pocket card to go along with the pocket patch which was awarded at the next regular meeting after the scouts BOR. As Pack CC the CM and I are trying to rebuild a struggling unit. We began in February with the new charter. Along

What are your opinions and how do you think this approach would be received in your District. LongHaul http://www.scatacook.org/TrainingRequired01.htm http://www.scatacook.org/TrainingRequired04-FAQs.htm

Some years back our council changed all the units from September recharter to Jan recharter. We paid 18 months registration one time and then went yearly. Your DE needs to wait one year and have your unit recharter for 10 months instead of 12 this coming March 2008. Rechartering in Jan 2008 at the $10 rate means you would be owed 60 days from you old charter which would be an accounting nightmare for the Council. LongHaul

Try National supply it"s 33070E now. LongHaul http://www.scoutstuff.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.aspx?ctlg=05NDC&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=BOOKS_LIT&C3=PAMPHLETS&C4=&LV=3&item=33070E&prodid=33070E^8^05NDC&

Don''t find a listing for that number, what is the subject? LongHaul

>>The first amendment didn''t apply at all to the states until the 14th amendment and subsequent incorporation rulings. But even ignoring that, James Madison, the guy who actually WROTE the first amendment, had said it covers more than just a prohibition against a national church.<< Merlyn, just what was it you WERE trying to convey with that statement. Where you reminding us that freedom of speech and Assembly are part of the first amendment as well? Sounded like you were saying that Madison intended the prohibition to extend to the States. LongHaul