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Unless I'm mistaken one should only wear an OA flap if one's current dues are paid in full. LongHaul

Might be that I had just too much coffee today Beavah, and I know I try and play devils advocate a bit but this time I'm serious Scouts honor. This SM had to hire a personal attorney to act as a go between with the BSA attorneys. If the BSA covers the CO as well as the SM why are they coming down so hard on the SM? Yes the family, per their attorney's advice, is suing everyone they possibly can, even the Dad that drove the kid to the outing was originally named. The thing I'm having trouble understanding is the actions of the BSA attorney trying to prove negligence on the part of the SM to the

Ya Beavah but I thought that the BSA insurance covers you no matter what you do as long as you don't commit a crime. Why is this guy loosing time at work, having to hire a personal lawyer to deal with BSA layers that are tying to shift blame. Possibly to the CO and not the SM but can this guy really take that on faith? I had auto insurance for 20 years with the same company then I got rear ended and was injured. My insurance would not pay my medical bills, I had to sue and ended up with less than lost wages and medical bills. BSA's insurance isn't like that? LongHaul

I never got sued but there is a Scoutmaster on the south side of CAC that had a scout get killed on a troop ski outing. The lawyers went over every inch of this guys training, asked for copies of the YP video he was trained under, wanted copies of tour permits and statements as to how the boys were prepared for the event. They wanted everything they could think of. It's not a matter of the BSA insurance won't pay it's a matter of how liable are they. Level of Liability can be a costly thing while you are trying to get yours lowered. LongHaul

Dutch Ovens are not expenditures they are investments in gastronomical delights. LH

Common Sense lost out to Risk Management. Let a Cub turn around with a flaming marshmallow and leave a scare on another cubs face and see what happens to your BSA Insurance. You will learn a new phrase "Level of Liability" "We told you not to do this" "Baloo training should have told you not to do this." "Leader specific training should have told you not to do this" Talk to all the leaders you want, talk to all the lawyers you want, then talk to someone that had it happen on their watch. Follow all the training and "guidelines" to the letter and you're standing on concrete. Miss a step and rel

First off Meritbadge.com now links to meritbadge.org which is a wiki site which means anyone can edit the content. User beware. As I read msnowmans post it sounds like the SM said the hours could not be used for rank requirements for two different ranks. As for Citizenship in the Community and the requirement in question; Bold print and highlights are mine. 7. Do the following: a. Choose a charitable organization outside of Scouting that interests you and brings people in your community together to work for the good of your community. b. Using a variety of resources (incl

raisinemright, The requirement to cook something outdoors is preceded by a list of cooking related tasks intended to be done with the Cub's family and not on a Pack outing. If you look at the age appropriate guidelines in the middle of the GTSS you will find under Outdoor Skills/Cooking that Tigers, Wolves and Bears are not approved for outdoor cooking. Personally I think some-mores and hot dogs on a stick are what some boys join Cub Scouts for but I don't get a vote on National policy. JeffD, As an adult you can cook anyway you want so long as it is not a danger to th

JeffD's Baloo instructor should have mentioned that cooking in any form is not recommended for Cub Scout level boys. Cubs are not allowed to even roast marshmallows or cook hot dogs until they are Webelos I have several smaller DOs for 2 man breakfasts and making bread. Most of my ovens are 12 inch four to six inches deep. Start small and experiment. I recommend you stay away from acidic foods (tomato base) until your oven is well seasoned from use. Cardinal rule NO SOAP in CAST IRON. Aluminum works well but when using wood instead of charcoal you can melt an aluminum oven. LongHaul DUTCH

Look for an OKPIK course in your area. Have your "bin there done that" guys take the OKPIK course then the can teach your Cold Weather Camping program. LongHaul

When making a motion picture you hire someone to deal with continuity. You want to be sure that when you cut scenes the color of a tie or scarf does not change. Hair was down, now it's up, now it's down sort of thing. I wish BSA would hire a continuity person for their publications. In looking at the ACPP #33088 I could find no reference to this issue. In looking at a Bear Handbook I find no "specific" reference to this issue. I did however find a passage toward the bottom of page 180 which reads "However, note that unused parts of achievements that were used for the Bear badge may not be coun

>>End of story - Don't punish the boys for the adults who don't know what they are doing!<< I agree two separate parties two separate electives. I'm confused by the last line. Are you saying that an adult is doing something wrong? Is it in accordance with the advancement program for Cub Scouts for an electives to be done twice? LongHaul

If I'm not mistaken there are a few a Eagles on the board. As for the Realtors license it was issued by National. LongHaul

In my council we don't need a tour permit as long as we are within our district. That means I don't need a tour permit to go camping at the local forest preserve youth camp. Nor do I need one to go to the Nature center or on a bike hike. If all we count is troop overnights and troop service projects what happens to the patrol method? If a patrol decides to get together and ride their bikes to the lake for a day in the sun why is that not equal to a patrol deciding to get together and ride their bikes to the nature center to work on any of the Nature/enviro Sci merit badges? The requirement spe

As Is said so many times concerning YP reporting WATCH YOUR LIABILITY. If the "witness" starts making allegations she can not prove in court she can get into a lot of trouble. Parents meeting? Bad move. Did these two actually admit to intimacy? Being in a persons tent for a matter of hours is not tenting together. Kids spend time in each others tents and we don't consider that tenting together. Was our witness watching the whole time? Does she have "notes" on when the offender entered, when he/she left? Notes on what was heard during the time the two were together? Who knows what really happen

Understand that I have no involvement with Venturing other than knowing some Venturers. I don't know their program well enough to even list the awards they may earn as some others have done. I don't know if the Venturing program addresses the material I think some Venturers might be interested in exploring. Where I see Venturers most is at our Summer camp. What comes to mind then is Rifle Shooting, Shotgun Shooting, Small Boat Sailing, Backpacking, Cooking, Camping, Lifesaving, BSA Lifeguard (Two of the people that signed my BSA Lifeguard application were female), Personal Management, the way

Beavah, Are you sure there would be no way to enter them into scoutnet? A Venturer that had attained the rank of First Class could earn merit badges so that means that an advancement report from a Venturing Crew that contained a merit badge advancement for that scout would indeed be accepted. Are we sure that an advancement report from a crew containing a merit badge for a boy that had not already attained First Class would be rejected by scoutnet? LongHaul

Got to thinking after I posted last night that in Ventureing we have Awards and not actually ranks. I still wonder about having to ask to see a boys handbook before working with him to make sure he is First Class. LH

Gold Winger, By that reasoning any merit badge earned by a scout that did not eventually attain the rank of Eagle Scout dose not count for anything? Earning a merit badge is not supposed to be just about rank advancement it's supposed to be about personal growth. meamemg, First I would like to know the link to access the Advancement Committee Policies and Proceedures on-line. Second, If you read the quote you posted you will see that Venturers can indeed earn Eagle Palms. Third, just because a boy is not eligable for Eagle does not necessarily mean he is not eligable to work

local1400, Where is the study located on the web site? LH

Jschlich, My concern is to determine where your priorities lie and why. As for the testimony in court please remember that our SE and Executive board have been saying different things for the last 7 years much of which turned out to be absolutely the opposite of what they actually have done. The firm assurances that neither Hoover or Owasippe were being considered for sale while at that very time Hoover had already been listed and Owasippe was in the process of being surveyed prior to sale, being only one. If the "Council" is forced to accept a 7 million dollar reduction in their proce

Just got off the phone with an old friend who had just returned from Merit Badge Counselor Training. He asked me if I knew whether or not the Merit Badge Program was open to Venturers. I began to explain that only males who had earned the rank of First Class while a boy scout could advance to Eagle when he reminded me that was not what he had asked. Is the Merit Badge Program open to Venturers? Specifically must a male be working toward Eagle to qualify to work on a merit badge? Can a female Venturer earn a merit badge? I told him I'd see what I could find out. Any thoughts? More importantly a

From the OOEC web site; Will Owasippe continue to be used as a Boy Scout camp? Yes, we certainly hope so. Owasippe will offer outstanding programs and facilities and will make them available to any BSA Council or individual Scout Troop or Venture Crew. The OOEC would assure that the Owasippe facilities, staff and operations will meet or exceed the National Standards of the BSA before making it available to Scouts. The OOEC would love to have the Chicago Area Council as an anchor client. We have no reason to think that Boy Scouts will stop wanting to use the property for summer camping, a

nldscout, I absolutely believe National would have dissolved the Chicago Area Council had the civil suit not been dropped. I believe they would have put a board of their choosing into place if the slate had not been approved. As for the power to do this I simply state that National issues charters to councils the same as councils enter into chartering agreements with COs. If National decides not to extend the charter for a council that council no longer exists. When councils merge it is rarely at the request of the councils involved. Jschlich, I stand corrected as to your residence bu

I would like to make something clear once again. There are two separate concerns pertaining to "Owasippe". One concerns 4765 acres of land in Michigan's Manestee National Forest and one concerns a BOY SCOUT CAMP which has been in existence since 1911. When Jschlich speaks about saving Owasippe, and he speaks about the formation of the OOEC (Owasippe Outdoor Education Center)he speaks about 4765 acres of land. Jschlich is a resident of Blue Lake Township in which Owasippe exists. He says that >>"There is no concerted effort to stop the sale of Owasippe...the controversy is about the build