Joni4TA

Now I just found the "index_files" folder which was created on the desktop along with the index.html file. I uploaded every one of the items in that folder separately... now my ftp space looks like this...

118.JPG 4 KB JPEG Image 12/13/2006

AACouncilPatch.gif 31 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

BSALogo.gif 9 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

filelist.xml 292 B XML Document 12/13/2006

image001.jpg 3 KB JPEG Image 12/13/2006

image002.gif 9 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

image003.gif 11 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

image004.jpg 4 KB JPEG Image 12/13/2006

image005.gif 31 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

index.html 13 KB HTML Document 12/13/2006

And STILL no photos showing up on that darn thing

I used Microsoft Office 2003 - create new office document - webpage... saved it as an .html. I uploaded the index.html and the photos separately

Here's what it says I have uploaded...

118.JPG 4 KB JPEG Image 12/13/2006

AACouncilPatch.gif 31 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

BSALogo.gif 9 KB GIF Image 12/13/2006

index.html 13 KB HTML Document 12/13/2006

LMAO Great! And I just emailed hosting@scouter.com

and this is the message I got back -

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at yahoo.com.

I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.

This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

hosting@scouter.com:

216.40.36.30 does not like recipient.

Remote host said: 550 unknown user hosting@scouter.com

Giving up on 216.40.36.30.

This is just NOT my day

LOL for whatever reason I can't even edit my own message above... because somehow the html stuff was left out... it should read - -

this line - v:imagedata src="index_files/image005.gif" o:title="AACouncilPatch"

oh yeah I see what you mean...

this line -

OK - the file name I uploaded was "AACouncilPatch" though.. so it should be fine no?

actually, yes I did upload the pictures separately from the index.html file. They are all separately in the ftp space provided by scouter.com

I am sure whatever I have done is easily corrected though... I wonder if I need to create a separate folder in the ftp space called "index_files" ?

Also... I did not upload any photos called "image005.gif" so I wonder if that is the problem, maybe I have to rename every picture and THEN upload them again???

Gosh now I am confused!

I appreciate the info and advice... soaking it all in here. My husband has a BBA and he had the same concern basically, wingnut.. so we are leaning toward soliciting an organization such as the Knights of Columbus, which isn't owned by a church, but made up of parishoners - and fits the bill as a community service-based org.

Apparently the local Masons already said NO, and there are a couple more churches we can ask, but like I said - it really looks as if we are trying to move away from a church as the CO. It can get difficult when you have a Troop with members who have differing religious backgrounds.

Sometimes I really miss being in a larger city - charter org smorgasbord lol

Those are some great photos, thank you!

Please, anyone with experience in this matter, feel free to fill this post with knowledge

Seriously... our Troop is currently chartered by "The Parents of Troop _ _ _." I kid you not.. that is what the charter actually says. We're in the process of possibly chartering with a local church but it's been nearly 9 months of having the church, our CC and SM in discussions and the whole YAY or NAY has basically been tied-up in red-tape and it doesn't look good, since Recharter is just around the corner. Personally I think National was very gracious in allowing the unit to be "Chartered by the Parents" in the first place (I wasn't with the Troop at that time).

But when we found out at our last Committee meeting, that the church was not going to consider being our charter org. until after the holidays and the first of the year, myself and another committee member said basically, "This has got to stop - we need to move on and explore other alternatives." So now we are actively researching new possible charter orgs. - but we have very limited resources here. (small rural town) And honestly we believe it would be best to seek charter with a group OUTSIDE the religious/church umbrella - IF we can!

I actually have a couple questions..

Is there anything (BSA policy or otherwise) keeping us from having a local BUSINESS be our CO? Such as a Chevy dealer or the local Radio Shack, etc?

Does it absolutely have to be a "community service-based organization"?

Do you think there are any exceptions to the "community-service-based organization" ideal based on locality and organization availability? **Example - the closest VFW post is in another town, over 20mi away... no Red Cross within 30 miles, very few local churches, etc.

Is it possible to have one organization charter us and then have another location offer us a meeting place? Or is that too many hands in the pot type of thing?

I don't know... suggestions EXTREMELY welcome and appreciated.

And just an FYI, YES the DE is well aware of this. He wants us to find a charter pronto. (DE is a brand new DE as well and has a lot going on). Our Unit Commissioner is brand new but is also aware of this. Neither of them have the local ability to step in and "find us a CO" or I bet they would have before now.

Anyhow, just seeking advice... fire away!

Ok - what am I doing wrong?

I created an html file webpage in Microsoft Office

I named it "index.html"

I separately uploaded 3 pictures in my upload space at Scouter.com

But when I go to the webpage

http://troops.scouter.com/ak/troop118/

nothing, picture wise, shows up except the dreaded "red X"

Help?????

I am having major issues too.

We have a site hosted by Scouter.com at this address:

http://troops.scouter.com/ak/troop118/

I have uploaded the page, and all the photo files into my upload space provided by Scouter.com web hosting - but no matter what I do, I cannot seem to get those pictures to show up on the website. And it's not like it's a major ordeal, we are talking about 3 little pictures here - one BSA logo, one council strip and 3 unit numerals (pasted into one photo).

What gives?? The email I got says, "If you have any questions regarding web hosting here at SCOUTER, please consult the Hosting FAQ first. If that doesn't help you out, then post your question at the SCOUTER Forums or email us at hosting@scouter.com "

Well the FAQ doesn't say diddly about the nitty gritty of web hosting. And here's my second attempt - posting at the forums... looking around it doesn't look like this is going to be much help either *sigh*

I found the same link as SP posted a while back and I sent off tons of letters for one of our recent Eagle Scouts.

I already got something back from Gilwell!! Airmail

Excellent Link!

Unfortunately we do have to make a choice because of the timing window of the conference, my son will have to miss summer camp with his Troop. He realizes there is no MB earning at Philmont but he said he didn't care either way. Dad really wants to go, he's going to be taking the training "Strictly for Scoutmasters" and I don't blame him, he's practically jumping up and down at the prospect of going to Philmont! LOL And he has kept putting the registration form on top of my desk as a hint.

I was invited to go to the Training too. But we have two small daughters ages 4 and 2 and I think it would be too much for them, though I would love to go. I have nowhere to leave the girls and so I decided to forfeit my going to stay home with them.

After reading all your posts, I checked the registration form for errors, wrote the check and sealed the envelope! I guess my boys are GOING TO PHILMONT!!!!

Thanks all!

I know Philmont is the mecca of BSA Training, and from what I understand, a dream for many Scouts and Scouters.

My husband and I have both been invited to attend Training Conferences there this summer. What I am wondering is if my First Class (will be Star by then) Scout will have as good a time with the "Trailblazers" (11-13 yr old boys) family program as he would at regular old Summer Camp with his new Troop at Camp Wolfeboro in California, Mount Diablo Silverado Council?

Has anyone here ever attended training conferences at Philmont and brought their family along? How was it for your Scout? The only thing the brochure says about the Trailblazers is "This group participates in day hikes, horse rides, archery, air rifles, handicrafts and an overnight camping trip in Philmont's backcountry." The internet website basically mimicks the brochure. Don't get me wrong, it all sounds wonderful. My son doesn't care either way he says.

Now I am just curious about other Scouters that have done this in the summer and how theiur Scouts enjoyed the program offered for family members?

Thanks!

Ummmmmmm *DUCKING* NO bugler here.... I think we had a cassette tape or a CD when we went out before. The troop we have now even has musicians in it and not a one has ever brought up bugling. *SHRUG*

Wait, back up a minute..

Its Me, you mean to tell me your Pack doesn't have monthly Committee Meetings? What about Pack Meetings? If not, it's no wonder why you wouldn't know the other den leader very well. Holy smokes, that's just not right.

That's not the way it's supposed to be so I bet something can be done about this situation that would benefit the entire pack, especially the other den and leader. How many dens are in your pack? How many boys total? I am just shocked, so forgive all my questions.... somewhere along the line people have definitely been forgotten, perhaps your entire Pack has been forgotten. Maybe it's time to make some noise!

The squeaky wheel always gets the grease...

Well I swear, I have the video in hand and it's 20 minutes long. It features an african-american woman and another guy acting like newscasters and they interview folks in different organizations about youth protection. Anyhow, that is the format. I remember it's the same one I watched in '99. Though I am sure there is a newer one, this one was made in '97.

Something tells me there aren't too many of these getting awarded, so I thought I would share. This came to one of our own, in my own backyard.

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/lookupstoryref/2004129193713

Courage under fire

Marine, scout leader rewarded for lifesaving

Submitted by: MCB Camp Butler

Story Identification #: 2004129193713

Story by Lance Cpl. Joel Abshier

CAMP MCTUREOUS, OKINAWA, Japan -- (Nov. 27, 2004) -- The Boy Scouts of America presented the Honor Medal to Maj. Richard G. Steele Nov. 27 for saving the lives of his former neighbors who were in a serious house fire last year.

Steeles neighbor in Burke, Va., alerted him at 11 p.m. on June 2, 2003, that there was a fire at a nearby house.

Steele, whos currently an adult leader with Pack 110 of the Far East Council of the BSA, immediately grabbed his 10-pound, chemical fire extinguisher while his wife, Margaret, called the local fire department, according to Steele. When he arrived at the burning home, the residents were still inside eating dinner, unaware of the fire.

Before running into the house, I felt a sense of urgency take over, said Steele, the logistics and support officer for the 3rd Marine Division. I didnt think about the danger I was putting myself in. The people inside were in trouble, and I just responded.

Steele said he searched the house, evacuating one adult and three children who were still inside. He then cut off the power to the main circuit breaker because he thought it could have been an electrical fire. At that time, the occupants, who were immigrants and spoke very little English, fled the scene.

Our neighborhood (was) blessed to have him as a neighbor, said Eddie Gunn, Steeles neighbor in Burke. We were all really thankful for his quick actions.

A lot of work was done behind the scenes to ensure Steele received the Honor Medal, which is as important to the BSA as the Silver Star Medal is to the military, according to wife Margaret.

Eyewitness statements and police reports were sent to the National Capital Area Council committee in Bethesda, Md., so it could be determined whether or not Steele would receive this medal, according to Margaret.

The NCAC committee is responsible for ensuring the accomplishment of the BSA mission, which is to prepare young people to make ethical and moral choices over their lifetime.

Once the committee granted approval, the Great Okinawa District of the Far East Council of the BSA awarded Steele with the medal here, according to Margaret.

(Steele) had no idea he was going to be receiving the award, said Alan Bergstrom, member of the Great Okinawa District of the Far East Council of the BSA. We decided to keep the medal a surprise for him.

Steele was a Cub Scout den leader at the time of the fire. More than a year and a half later, as a Boy Scout adult leader, Steele is proud to know the Marine Corps played a part in helping him get through the incident, according to his wife.

His Boy Scout and Marine Corps training went hand in hand during the fire, Margaret said. I was scared when he ran out of the house because when I married him, I knew he was the kind of man who would run through fire to save another person.

I never could bring myself to buy a yellow shirt, so I always had the tan one, and I tucked it in. As far as saluting, in the tan shirt, I had my fingers above my brow. In a Scouting tee-shirt, I had my hand over my heart, and in regular every-day clothing, hand over the heart as well.

EagleInKY experienced something that I similarly remember as a part of my New Leader Essentials Training.... a sort of a skit where they had someone stand up from the group, and kept handing that person pieces of paper with different jobs printed on them. They had to hold the papers in a particular way so that everyone watching could clearly see what was printed on the papers until eventually, the person could hold no more papers.. yet there were still several papers to hold. The main idea came across - No one person can do it all!

Sometimes we feel such a sense of responsibility that we will wear 2, 3, even 4 hats. When we see we're going to bear too much, it's time to pull people aside and ask, "Will you do ________ for the Den/Pack/Patrol/Troop/Crew/District/Council?" I think there are people out there who will help and step up to the plate, but if we never call them out and ask them we won't get their help.

I don't know if it's useful to "beg" for leader help in a general capacity, as in "Hey, Joe and Jane are doing it all, we need help!" I tend to agree with EagleInKY also, that if you can start by getting folks to commit to one particular activity (Pinewood Derby, B & G, etc.) it will relieve some of the hat-wearing.

We've had similar issues here every year. One important one being finding a Day Camp Director. We give volunteers plenty of time to step up to the plate and we are provided a deadline for signing up to the position. Often, no one does until the very last minute when we get the announcement that there will be NO DAY CAMP FOR THE BOYS due to lack of a director. I think once parents understand that their boys aren't going to have a day camp at all (which means no fun for all that are looking forward to it), folks are more apt to step up and volunteer. It's for the boys after all, not for us!

Chicken Ranch, I feel your pain...

This must be a common problem in Scouting today, where somewhere along the line, the methods of Scouting have become lost or misconstrued. It's certainly "easier" sometimes to have the adults running everything, but it's far out of line with the BSA guidelines and policies.

I don't know if your SM has encouraged or done a Junior Leader Training Session, or if, at this point, it will even make a difference. But it might be worth a try? You're right that if the boys in their elected positions of responsibility aren't exercising the responsibility in their positions, they aren't truly grasping the ideals of the program, without a doubt. And the adults that don't, can't or won't see that allowing this to go on is only hurting the boys in the long run and depriving every youth member of the Troop of a true Scouting unit.

If there is anything I have learned, it's that I can't change anyone else. If your Big3 are intent on interfering with the program and encouraging the SPLs, ASPLs, and PLs to take no responsibility, it's probably time to involve some folks outside the unit to try and effect change. I wish you luck!

I don't see why a den can't have a monthly outing. Did you mean camping or just a day outing like a day at the park, a zoo trip or museum trip or something to that effect? When I was a den leader we scheduled outings that coincided with belt loops or requirements out of the boys' handbooks. They were not Pack outings, they were Den outings. In fact the entire summer after school let out, instead of meeting once a week, we met every other week and worked on belt loops for those boys that finished earning their rank, as well as electives for arrow points. I will mirror Eamonn and say that our "den outings" were not Pack funded either. For boys that hadn't acquired their rank, we tried to help them with those requirements.

There are some requirements that have to be met with the family. I don't recall right off the bat but I think there is one or two about safety around the home, knowing what to say if someone calls on the phone, turning off lights and securing the home before leaving - stuff like that. The boy obviously can't do those kinds of things in a Den meeting. But there were others like going to a sporting event or theatre or museum - we did some as a den, and they required a den outing.

Let's see... besides Popcorn...

Bake Sales

Garage Sales

Spaghetti Dinners

Wreath/Christmas Tree sales

First Aid Kits

Carwashes

Candy sales

Solicit donations from local merchants

Tupperware

Party-lite candles

Performance tickets (Cubs do the performing!)

craft sales

silent auctions

Just make sure you check out the procedures for Unit Money Earning, and turn in the proper applications before doing a funrasier! Here's the link for the application:

http://www.scouting.org/forms/34427.pdf

Good Luck!

Or do you mean having the New Scouts/ Former Webelos do a separate rendition of Summer Camp as opposed to regular summer camp with the rest of the Troop?

I don't know about anyone else, but I am trying to understand the concept.

Do you mean your Webelos don't crossover to a Troop before the Spring and instead wait until Summer? Do you mean Crossover as opposed to Bridge?