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Reach, throw, row, go. Did the unit have a torpedo buoy? Was a buddy system in force? Was there any scout or adult who was trained as a bsa lifeguard? Finally, what level of swimmers were the youth? There isn’t a lot of reason to be in that deep of water with learners.

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Just in http://philmontscoutranch.org/ PHILMONT SCOUT RANCH ANNOUNCES CLOSURE FOR 2018 SUMMER SEASON - 7/5/18 After careful consideration of the situation and available options, the difficult but prudent decision has been made that the Philmont backcountry will remain closed for treks and individual programs for the remainder of the 2018 summer season. This means that the following programs scheduled for this summer are canceled: 7- and 12-day treks; and individual backcountry programs, including Rayado, ROCS, Trail Crew, STEM and Ranch Hands. Refund Checks for all affected crews will be sent to the lead contact advisor on Monday, July 9, 2018. Over the next few days, our staff will be contacting the lead advisor or contingent leader of these crews confirming the refund, offering a trek at Philmont for the 2020 season, and answering any questions. Please wait and allow the Philmont team to contact your crew – your assistance will help make sure that Philmont phone lines remain open. Your cooperation will be most appreciated. While High Adventure opportunities are at capacity at Northern Tier and the Florida Sea Base, there are opportunities at The Summit and they would be happy to accommodate your crew. This has been a difficult and at the same time inspiring summer at Philmont. For the first time in its history, Philmont is closing its backcountry. As difficult as this situation has been for our Philmont family and for Scouts across our country, we have been truly inspired by the incredible enthusiasm and perseverance shown by our staff, the resourcefulness displayed by displaced crews to find other summer adventures, and the understanding and good wishes from thousands of Scouts and Scouters from around the world. For all of these blessings, we are truly grateful. Fire danger in northern New Mexico is currently classified as “extreme.” The fire danger has led to closure of most public lands near Philmont. The Carson National Forest’s nearby Questa and Camino Real Ranger Districts, including the Valle Vidal area that Philmont utilizes, have been closed to public access. The New Mexico Game and Fish Department has similarly closed all of its properties that border Philmont, including the Colin Neblett Wildlife Management Area on our western border and the Elliott S. Barker Wildlife Management Area adjacent to our North Country. Links to these closure notices are included at the end of this release. On Friday, June 29, 2018, the Morris (Moras) Creek fire started south of the Philmont property line on private neighboring property near the Rayado River Canyon. This fire is currently more than 1500 acres and is burning on Philmont property. Our ranch managers, volunteer leaders, and national staff have monitored the situation since the Ute Park fire began and attempted to plan alternate trek routes and procedures required by Philmont to manage backcountry emergencies. Because of the Morris (Moras) Creek fire, these alternate trek routes have now been eliminated. The safety of our youth participants, volunteers and staff is the priority at Philmont Scout Ranch and for the Boy Scouts of America. This decision applies only to Philmont’s backcountry programs. Philmont’s Camping Headquarters and Base Camp area, the Philmont Training Center, the new National Scouting Museum, the Chase Ranch, and the Kit Carson Museum at Rayado will remain open all summer. Training courses at the Philmont Training Center and the National Advanced Youth Leadership Experience (NAYLE) will proceed as scheduled. This decision does not affect Philmont’s fall programs, including Autumn Adventure and fall PTC training conferences. The Philmont ranger motto is “scramble – be flexible.” That’s what we at Philmont have been doing all summer as we deal with these unexpected and unfortunate circumstances. Our terrific summer staff has embraced challenges that they didn’t anticipate when they signed on. They expected to be delivering awesome backcountry programs and inspiring high adventure experiences to thousands of Scouts and Scouters. Instead, they have enthusiastically taken on difficult and physically taxing timber stand improvement projects, backcountry fire abatement work, community service projects, and staff jobs at other camps. They are making sure we will be ready to re-open next year! Their willingness to roll up their sleeves, pitch in and meet the challenges we have faced reflects the very best on Scouting and our nation’s youth. They have our sincere thanks! Our National BSA leadership has been working with airlines to assist crews with refunds, changes, and credits. Please refer to the following contacts for support. American Airlines----1-800-221-2255 Southwest Airlines---1-800-435-9792 Alaska Airlines--------1-800-654-5669 Amtrak -----------------1-800-872-7245 Our entire Philmont family thanks you for your continued understanding, your support, and your cooperation. Links for information on area closures and fires: https://www.fs.usda.gov/main/carson/home http://www.wildlife.state.nm.us/conservation/state-game-commission-lands https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/ https://nmfireinfo.com/ As you look at alternatives for adventures this summer please check out NCAP accredited high adventure programs offered by local councils here

Feedback is a gift. That might not be the best screen name to use anymore, regardless of its meaning with you.

Thanks all

The GTA requirement is the all requirements and Eagle SM conference must be completed not later than the day before the Scout turns 18.

My Scout Reservation seems to go wink wink nudge nudge on not permitting Scouters to have lead acid batteries in campsites to power cpap machines Is there a prohibition on lead acid batteries in unit sites of a scout reservation in the national camp standards? If yes, can you cite it? TIA

A foil dinner will do us!

Dean Cow staffed camp was destroyed. The fire came within feet of the Ute Gulch Commissary. I am removing the pin, I think most Scouters know about the cancellation of early treks now

I've not liked JTE since Day 1, and I was a UC. It's metrics management. That's lean six sigma stuff. Why in God am I asking volunteers to sweat over numerical micromanagement of a program license agreement?

Why would anyone impose METRICS BASED MANAGEMENT on youth who are supposed to be playing a game with a purpose?

Please note this topic is now in the cooking forum.

For Venturing Crews with impacted treks, Venturing Fest 2018 at the Summit has reopened its registration portal. BSA will transfer fees paid to PSR to the Summit if you opt to go.

Moderator Note The BSA Museum at PSR now has its own thread. Please reserve this for discussion of trek cancellations, reschedules, and alternate plans. Thank you

From the website: PHILMONT PROGRAM ANNOUNCEMENT - UTE PARK FIRE 6/4/18 4:00 MDT The safety of our youth participants, volunteers and staff is a priority for everybody at Philmont Scout Ranch and the Boy Scouts of America. While efforts continue to extinguish the fire currently burning in the back-country, the anticipated damage and inability to access the affected areas makes it currently impossible to host back country programs. Until the fire is extinguished, the areas are inspected and the damage assessed, it is impossible to definitively state when those programs will resume. At this time, we have made the difficult decision to cancel all backcountry treks that were scheduled to take place in the Philmont backcountry from June 8 – July 14, 2018. We hope that back country treks may resume after July 14, 2018 with altered itineraries, assuming the back country is safe and infrastructure is restored. Additionally, programs scheduled to take place at Philmont Training Center will also be canceled through June 23, 2018. The Philmont Training Center expects to welcome back participants beginning with Philmont Family Adventure on June 24, 2018. The NAYLE program, which takes place at Rayado Ridge Leadership Camp seven miles south of the Philmont Base Camp and is unaffected by the Ute Park Fire, will go on as scheduled. Over the next few days, we will be contacting the lead advisor or contingent leader of all crews that are impacted by this decision, starting with those that are scheduled to arrive first, as well as affected PTC coordinators. Thank you in advance for allowing the Philmont team to contact your crew – your assistance will help make sure that Philmont phone lines remain open. We will continue to work with local, state and federal authorities to continuously evaluate the fire and air quality to ensure that we can safely deliver outstanding program. Thank you for your support and patience.

I received word via my professional mentor in the army... ALL PHILMONT TREKS FROM JUNE 9 TO JULY 14 ARE CANCELLED

No. It's so dry even an electrical spark is enough there. Use manual hand tools, OR be prepared to put out any accidental fires you start.

There will be impact on the 2018 season and program This is a quote from the 3 June update on the Ranch website:

PSR posted an update at 1900 MDT.

We are also posting updates in Open Discussion, Program. The fire is now at 27,500 acres

Here is an interagency information site https://inciweb.nwcg.gov/incident/5820/

Here's a link to the incident command teams Facebook page. The fire is now at 27,500 acres or 43 square miles. https://www.facebook.com/Ute-Park-Fire-Info-378765475953098/

You'll find it in camping

You asked, you got. There is now a cooking and recipes sub forum

Philmont website http://www.philmontscoutranch.org/About/FireInformation.aspx