Crew21_Adv

Greetings Fellow Scouters,

This event was recently in the news. This was not a Scouting event, and the full circumstances are net yet completely clear.

From CNN...Campers: Boy who died refused food

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/08/13/camp.death.ap/index.html

During NLE, Troop Committee Challenge, Scout Leader Specific and Venturing Leader Specific, I often repeat the purpose and aims of Scouting, as well as the methods and programs. However, I let them know when it is my own inserts, i.e. Crew21_Adv~ism. I correlate BP's comments like "a game with a purpose", and I use "Educational Recreation"

I usually find that my fellow Scouters don't really need to learn how to camp. They usually attend with dynamic camping, cooking and survival skills. But they only need to learn the details of program helps and keeping youth in a safe camping environment. (returning every Scout to their parents with all their fingers and toes)

Here is my insert...

During training I usually state "my" purpose of the adult leaders, is to assist the youth leaders in providing a safe program. We need to study the G2SS and observe the health and welfare of our Scouts. While providing a challenging program that will provide rank advancement, merit badge opportunities, and personal growth.

Together, our safety record is pretty darn good, but it is not an absolute. Scouting as a recreation program does have its dangers; of course burns and cuts, serious falls during rock climbing, drownings at the waterfront, rifle range incidents, and car accidents during long camping trips.

Because of the Guide to Safe Scouting and Leadership Specifics, the accident rate is extremely low and the death rate is almost nil. Each major revision to the G2SS has been to express recent safety concerns identified by a serious injury accident report, if not worse. A well known evidence is the 2005 National Scout Jamboree.

I stress to my fellow Scouters during training, both words are important, Safe Program, Safe Program, Safe Program.

Without preaching to the choir (I know, its too late now). Please remind your fellow parents and leaders to review the G2SS and Troop Program Features; and delivery that safe program.

Thank you!

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

Greetings everyone!

Eagle309 asked, Any advise on how to get him to own up.

I concur with many of the statements my fellow Scouters have made. Here are my two cents...

Owning up to accepting responsibility is difficult, Only the Scout can do that. The Scout would have to feel his guilt and feel his conviction to do what is morally correct.

We've discussed these but, a couple of popular classes. Wood Badge and NYLT. Wood Badge now has The Game of Life aka Win All You Can. In NYLT we do not place as much pressure on the Scouts, so there is an easier topic, Making Ethical Decisions. In an interactive lesson they select from three decision choices, trivial decisions, right vs right decisions, and right vs wrong decisions.

This right vs wrong portion lets them interact and allows them to decide. The decision is still theirs, but ideally they will consider the Scout Oath and Law as well as their own personal morals and values.

This past summer, after this topic was completed, we had a one NYLT participant "own up" about a bad decision to our SPL.

Does ethical decisions work everytime? Unfortunately no.

My advise is... Ask your SPL to conduct some ethical choices scenarios with the Troop, and let them all consider different choices. Sample scenarios can be found in some of the BSA literature.

My bottom line is.... We, adult leaders nor his fellow Scouts cannot make him own up. Only he can feel guilt, accept responsibility and own up.

Good Luck with the tent!

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

OO,

Greetings!

I was told..... (and I bet you'll here this a few times in this thread).

The thirteen antler points of the National Camping School insignia relate to the thirteen summer camp program areas. (Now, I'll be flipping thru my NCS binders trying remember what those program areas were)

(P.S. I've been told that there were fifteen areas at one time and that older patches can sometimes be found with 15 antlers.)

I hope this helps! (and I hope it's true.. lol)

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Greetings Everyone!

The Ocean to Ocean Cayuco Race began in 1954 by the Boy Scouts of America, Panama Canal Council. The race was sponsored by the Panama Canal Commission until the turn over in 2000. The history of the race can be read at www.cayucorace.org . The Balboa Paddle Club and Balboa Yacht Club have kept the race going since the Canal Commission and Southern Command (and their dependents) departure in 1999. (I believe there are only one Troop and Pack remaining near the U.S. Embassy in downtown Panama City, as Direct Service units)

This is a question I've been pondering for a while, and I usually through it out when friends state they are looking for an exciting High Adventure Trip. (And to be honest, I never participated in the youth category, but I would certainly get a kick out of participating in the adult category someday.)

First, Does any former member of the Panama Canal Council remember the Ocean to Ocean Cayuco Race?

I have seen a friend participate in the adult category in 2001, but....

My Second question, Have any BSA Troops or Crews participated since 2000?

Lastly, as a comment. I've seen some amazing "High Adventure" articles in Boy's Life and Scouting Magazine, but I'd really get a kick out of reading something like this. Not everyone can say that they paddled from the Atlantic to the Pacific. Also, the Cayucos are the smalled boats allowed to transit the locks (if they still allow). The race occurs in early April, so Spring Break or extra homework along with the trip planning would be needed, but this would be a great High Adventure Trip for some older Scouts or Venturing Crews.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

Oh yes.... As for my own Crew, my sons are convinced. As for the rest of the Crew officers and membership, they are still milling it over. (darnit)

Greetings everyone!

EMB already answered the question to Robby... but if I may add a few comments for our fellow Scouters...

I am starting to become old and senile; so I have a few sets of WB beads, neckerchiefs and woggles, between my briefcase, desk and Scout wall locker at home.

There are a few places to obtain Wood Badge regalia. Most all of us receive our original beads via a ceremony from our local Council (these usually come from the BSA National Supply). They are a fine set, and the toupe neckerchief is a standard size. However, some Councils and their Wood Badge Course Directors prefer to restock and order from the UK Scout Association and the actual Gilwell Training Center. As Robbyrm and EMB have discussed.

The BSA version has a larger set of beads in a darker wood stain, and the standard size neckerchief seems small to some of us bigger fellas. (They are a nice set of regalia, but I prefer the larger neckerchiefs)

The UK version provides smaller beads, in a lighter oak stain. The UK Wood Badge full size neckerchiefs are much larger than the BSA Wood Badge National Supply Center standard neckerchiefs. The UK Scout Association has a thinner cotton blend neckerchiefs, perfect for summer courses or summer time ceremonies. Equally, they have a thicker Wool blend neckerchief, it looks nice during the Fall and Winter ceremonies. I grabbed mine for a Summer-time ceremony a few years ago and whew!! My shirt was drenched!!

All that to say.. If our fellow Scouters would like to find another set, Wool for the Winter, Cotton for the Summer, and larger neckerchiefs. Follow EMBs directions to the UK Scout Association online store.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Yes, Thanks to all our Veterans Wartime and Peacetime. I know I've told my own children that I feared hostile actions, as I grabbed my battle gear and run to the line with my fellow troops only to hear "Hold your fire", as tensions calmed. So I appreciate all my fellow veterans.

Of note. Everyone of us, Scouts, Parents and our Community should learn about U.S. and World History. I certainly don't know it all, but I appreciate learning new historical events.

Scouts from Transatlantic Council, BSA learn about some of the DDay events every three years during the Normandy Beach Camporee. (Recently published in Scouting magazine.)

This same past week of the DDay Normandy landing, shares the same week of the Battle of Midway. Some consider the first blow against the Japanese and a turning of the War in the Pacific.

Regards,

Crew21 Adv

cb2boys,

Greetings!

Here are my comments.

I am assuming the father is present in the house, and also desires to be a Tiger Cub Partner. On more occassion there may be parents, that are on various list, but not present in the house or in the life of the Scout.

There may be some court privacy issues. I understand most states will provide the list of Sex Offenders, but not details. So, this circumstance should alert the Pack Committee Chair for safety issues, but squash any gossip.

The Pack program is handled by the Cubmaster, the Pack business is handled by the Committee Chair. The Chair should be the person to take action and request the procedural advice from the DE/SE.

As we are approaching the end of the traditional school year. I assume that this Tiger Cub has started early, or the pack does not graduate to the next Den level until the beginning of the School year.

Tiger Cubs is the one portion of the program that requires a partner for activities. The Pack Committee Chair should seek an alternative parent (or guardian, grandparent, adult sibling, aunt, uncle) to be the partner thoughout this next school year.

I would doubt that this father is the only possible adult partner, but if he remains the only adult partner. The Tiger Scout would not be eligible to participate, based on the action of the parents and family.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Tod,

Greetings!

To follow what Featherbear had said....

The Aussie Scouting hat has changed since I purchased mine. My Official Scout Association of Austrilia "Johnson Hat" is a stiff wool with rolled up sides. However, they seem to have changes to a softer wool, like our expedition hats. Instead of a National Supply Center like we have, the Aussie Scouts purchase scouting uniforms through an outback sporting goods store "Snowgums" http://www.snowgum.com.au/ Their webpage does not illustrate the uniform, but has instructions on how to request their Scout Uniform catalog.

I should have picked a Blue Aussie Scout hat years ago, but they did have a blue died "Johnson Hat" with a white leather band. I think that gave way to their softer blue expedition hat in the picture you referenced.

Anyways... I don't know if anyone stated it. But if you refer to our www.scoutstuff.org catalog. Just this last week, under their new items. There are some nice Scouting Straw "Panama Hats" now being sold.

G'Day Mates! or Hasta Luego!

I mean...

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

PS,

Greetings Everyone!

I think a few of us here have quoted from the Troop Committee Guideline. I also like going back to the book, to see what it states. However, I am currently away from my home office and my own Scout library. (If any fellow Scouter can review my entry and look at the Advancement Committe Guidelines to see what it states).

There is a BSA publication "Advancement Committee Guidelines", which covers advancement from Tigers Paws thru Venturing Silver. It should also have valuable guidelines as to how to organize a Troop BOR. I think we need to carefully read the words selected by the national committees when the update the handbooks and guidelines.

Imagine, in order to start a brand new troop, they need a COR, three registered adults and five registered youth. What do they do for their first few BORs?

In a Troop that I have served, in addition to parents we attempted to withdraw Relatives, i.e. Grandparents, Aunts and Uncles from the BOR's, however I don't believe this is stated in the Advancement Guidelines.

Now, My own two cents.....

Similar to the Bold print in the GSS, which must be followed, what about the non-bold print? In some of the Guidelines, you will find both "must" and "should". I expect most of the wording uses "should", just the same as most of the literature are "Guidelines" and not BSA "Law Manuals".

Here is what the Board of Review Supplimental Training says on the National website. http://www.scouting.org/boyscouts/supplemental/18-625/index.html "Obviously, the Scout's parent should not serve on his board of review panel." Should not, is a guideline but not an absolute law.

Bottom line. I would expect the BSA Advancement Committee Guidelines to say something like, parents "should" not sit on the BOR. Vice saying parents "may or must" not sit on the BOR.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Dan (and Fellow Scouters),

Please don't get the idea that I believe Dan did anything wrong. Far from it.. I believe there should be good communications in a Troop.

However, I would rather stradle the fenceline; and not say that Dan is right nor that the parents are right.

All I am trying to say is, over the years, at college, at work, in the neighborhood boards, and at scouts, I have been caught in "he said this and she said that" disagreements. And knowing the attention span of a young boy or teen, I prefer to speak as cautiously as I may.

My Troop Committee has asked me to send emails on ocassion to the entire Troop, because often their Scout doesn't seem to listen or tell their parents or know what is happening.

My own Troop wide emails usually start with "Parents ask your Scouts, Scouts ask your Patrol Leaders, Patrol Leaders ask the SPL". Even after repeating agendas at PLCs, Committee meetings and the end of the Troop meetings, some Scouts and parents don't get "the word".

So.. back on the fenceline. Dan, don't get the idea that I'm taking the parents side over yours. Heck no... I'm just stating that I, myself, use caution and eliminate one-on-one conversations/meetings.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Fellow Scouters,

Yeah.. You can say I'm overly cautious...

On occasion, I have been misquoted by Scouts, Venturers, Scouters, and at work by fellow employees, that don't seem to listen or pay attention. I would expect everyone has. There is a saying, perception is reality

The basic idea is that we base our actions on what we believe, and rather than on what is necessarily true, yet those actions can create a world that reinforces our perceptions. While innocent communications are the intention, others can perceive complex situations.

FYI..

Here is why I may go overboard on caution. Maybe extreme avoidance you might say. Some instances I have either had or I have tried to avoid. I really prefer speaking with parents first over the phone. Also, I really prefer email, that I way I am responsible for what I type and not for what someone may have heard/misheard.

Many years ago, (before email was so popular) As Cubmaster I was calling my Den Leaders to ask if the dens were preparing for advancement and working on their handbooks. On the fourth call to a lady Den Leader (I should have guessed, since I never saw the father participate in two years).

After introducing myself as the Cubmaster "Mr Crew21 Adv", and asking to speak to the Den Leader. Of course I cannot see thru the phone, but the husband's speech was slurred, in about 20 seconds he explained to me with derogatory comments and repetitive obscene words his opinion of Cub Scouting and myself, and promptly hung up the phone.

We never saw his son, a Bear Scout, or the mother, the Den Leader again.

Before excursions, I have told the PLC and the Troop to be at the departure location at specific time and date. We have departed with 28 or 29 out of 30 youth and 5 adults. The majority heard what I said and were at the departure location at the correct time; but still I have had disappointed Scouts and irate parents stating that Mr Crew21 Adv did not say when and where.

More recently, in Venturing. (Even after viewing our Venturing Youth Protection Video) Our Co-ed Crew has a young lady that is still very "touchy - feely". After monthly High Adventure trips, she likes to give a good-bye hug to her fellow Venturers (both youth and adult, both ladies and men) at the parent rendezvous point (parking lot). When she comes to me, I turn her to my side and pat her on the shoulder. My fellow male Advisors usually do the same. We simply request her not to hug anymore. Next month, the same thing over again.

Even when most of the parents are Scouting adults, and are social neighborhood friends, I still don't think this young lady has captured the idea; that I don't want the young teenagers to hug older adults.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Eamonn,

Greetings!!

Bottom line. Lee Marvin was a veteran of the Guadalcanal and Saipan in South East Asia.

A young Bob Keeshan did join the USMC near the end of WWII, but ever saw combat. Also, a fine moral citizen and youth leader, Mr Rogers, entered the Presbyterian clergy directly from college.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Just for the entertainment value....

Some actors which served their country during war time, although not as many were influential in youth education and development.

Another Actor, Eddie Albert was on Tarawa. Don Adams was in Guadalcanal. Clark Gable was suppose to have been a B17 Gunner over Germany, taking a break from his acting career to serve during war. Even Canadian actor James Doohan "Scotty" landed at the Canadian Beachhead at Juno Beach near Normandy. Royal Navy "Obi Wan" Alec Guinness was a landing craft operator during Normandy.

Jonathan Winters was served in the South Pacific. Don Knotts was a U.S. Army entertainer in the South Pacific performing at USO shows.

Dan,

Greetings!

This is what I do.......

Still, after many years, I do not like the cold call to Scouts. When I do call, which is rare, I announce who I am.

Often the Scout or Venturer may run faster than their parent and pick up the phone. After identifying myself, whom they know, the first question I ask is, "Are your parents at home?" Then I state "Tell them Mr Crew21Adv is on the phone with you right now".

I get the Scout or Venturer, answering the phone at home alone, on ocassion. I really don't like this. I have emailed parents and stated I spoke to your Scout/Venturer today, regarding; next meeting, next trip, etc.

Now... I rarely call Venturers or Scouts (I prefer email) and I always email youth and CC the parents or another adult leader. I will send emails to adults (with only one email address), but I never send an email solely to a youth.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

CNY,

Has anyone else gone thru this?

Yes. I have dealt with CO and IH's dragging their feet. Years ago, I have had similar experiences with an IH and community based organization. The organization continued to claim to have "their Scouts", or "their Venturers".

Along with myself, my DC, DE, and ocassionally the SE and Field Director would meet with this community organization, and offer the Scouting Program to them. After a year of meetings, the organization decided not to charter (but will use our literature in their own programs.... lol).

Now up to current days, and five years later, They still use the term "their Scouts" and "their Venturers". However, these actual Scouts that do live in the community, belong to other real Troops and Crews with actual Chartering Organizations.

Funny, but I don't think this Community Based Organization will ever learn.. lol

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Greetings everyone,

"Is there a patch in it for me?"

When BSA creates an adult position patch and registration code for the Uniform Police, count me in... lol

Just joking, just joking!!!

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

Greetings Everyone! (this may be more for the education of some DE's that are still learning about Venturing)

I certainly agree with all the posters here. The Outdoors is appealing. Outdoors does offer alot of the program. Outdoor Bronze is probably the most populated program. But Outdoors is not the only Venturing track.

There is a Venturing Awards Star that illustrates what Venturers may do.

It was created for the National Venturing Cabinet by Ms Amy D, SageVenture, and a few Advisors. Its worth having both the Venturing Crew as well as some DE's take a look at.

http://www.nationalventuringcabinet.org/awards.html

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Lisa, (et al)

Greetings! I'd like to present two sides if I may...

Our troop attends Summer camp, as well as three camporees per year. These three months are pretty time consuming so we don't plan in advancement during these occasions.

On the remaining eight months, that leaves about eight weekend of Troop camping experiences remaining. Our Troop plans specific advancement opportunities around these campouts and during regular meetings. But it is difficult to "go back and redo" an event for one single Scout, after the Troop and patrols just went thru the advancement evolution "last week".

The leadership of the Troop does try. However, It is disappointing when;

- 45 Scouts sign up for the weekend, but only 30 Scouts show up at the parking lot.

- We conduct our preliminary physical fitness assessment, but after 30 days, four meetings and friendly reminders go out. None of those that needed the 30 day assessment show up for that meeting.

- Scouts don't bring their handbooks to the meeting or campouts to get an advancement item signed off.

- Their menu planning, while supervised by the ASM's; ends up on Saturday being changed to Vienna sausages and pop tarts.

- The Troop hasn't seen a young Scout in a couple of months (granted there are sports and homework, but sometimes just laziness included) and the Scout and Parent expects automatic advancement.

Now after a few disappointments, there are equally a few shining moments of light... The ASM's and SM do back flips when;

- a first year Scout show up in full uniform. (and patches in the correct place, with out staples or babypins)

- the Scout has been reviewing the Scout Oath and Law, and knows what they stand for.

- The Scout has opened his handbook more than once a week.

- Finally, both the Patrol Leader and the Scout communicates, and knows what the calendar is, where to be, what to bring, what to read and what to practice.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Greetings Everyone,

Please allow me to give my two cents...

My bottom line the ceremony should be respectful, meaningful and safe.

Humorously, I've attended U.S. Flag retirement ceremonies, where the organization stated they are the only organization authorized to retire flags by law. I've heard this more than once, and still never seen the law in writing.

Now the best U.S. Flag retirement ceremony I have attended, is annually held, on the Sunday before Flag Day (and the U.S. Army Birthday) June 14th, at the Barrancas National Cemetery on Pensacola Naval Air Station.

This ceremony is held by the "Veterans Roundtable" an adhoc committee of the various veterans groups. The BSA and GS/USA, is invited to participate, and the public is invited view to the initial ceremony.

The evening before, a large flat-bed trailer delivers (from a warehouse) all the unserviceable flags collected from businesses, schools, churches, private organizations, and homes, throughout the year. Literally hundreds of U.S. Flags and a few state flags.

Cub Scouts (Daisies and Brownies) with adult supervision, cut the grommets and fold the flag square.

Boy Scout or the Girl Scout Cadets, escorted by an older Veteran proceed along the long 2footx50foot trough, to the next available spot. As the proceed, the flag retirement is dedicated to a state or U.S. territory, while music is playing across the sound system.

With about 300 people assisting the ceremony in some capacity, it still takes about three hours.

Now saying that, there are many organizations that conduct U.S. Flag retirement ceremonies. None (that I know of) are authorized exclusively by law... But you may find a retirement ceremony script written in 1937 on the American Legion webpage. www.legion.org, under Americanism and Unserviceable Flag. Out of all of this script, there are two paragraphs. One is a statement by the about the U.S. Flag being a precious symbol which all have, worked for, lived for and died for; the other is a prayer for the U.S. Flag and liberty.

"For God and Country"

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21_Adv

Greetings Everyone,

Just to add my two cents... (darnit)

I am also a retired Sailor, I have served in the trenches with other services and been around the world a couple of times. I think I've said before in this forum, I probably know more curse words in more languages than my youth. But do I use them? I don't see any reason why to. Many years ago, I was asked, "How do you want to be remembered?" That was a sobering thought.

Regarding my Scouting units. Less of the younger Scouts trying out new words, I have heard more cursing from the older Scouts and Venturers. So, about twice a year, I give a Advisors Minute called "Choose your Words".

(BTW, This is my same philosophy at home as well, and my family knows it.)

The Bottom Line Up Front....

....I am no saint. I do know how to curse. If you hear me cursing, you better come running. Because I probably just stuck a knife thru my finger, again (or to borrow from Purcelce) or I just dropped a canoe on my foot.. Ouch! You better bring the First Aid box with you too!

I only hope if I hear you cursing, I won't need the whole First Aid kit.

Does my "minute" have any affect? I hope so, but I really don't know. Most of them cursed before Scouts, most of them will still be cursing after they leave Scouting.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Fellow Venturers and Advisors,

WOW! Sometimes, My brain hurts too.

As busy as our adult lives are, so are the youths. Beyond just growing up, there are sports and academics, social environments, church events, city and town events.

I have a few teens, when they receive a C on their report card, Venturing is the first thing the parents take from them. We have youth leaders that have attended Officer Briefing and VLSC, but many fail to fall thru on the Activity Chair planning or refuse to work with a Consultant.

We have asked my Venturer Activity Chairs to work with Consultants. When they do, we have successful events. But when they don't, it gets cancelled, deposits are forfeited, money gets lost, etc. Adult Association is one of the Venturing Methods; I say its a shared concept to achieve our goals.

Further, I have spoken with fellow Advisors in my area. We seem to concur that the biggest failure of Crews, is that they do not tie themselves with any of the five Venturing Specialities or pursue an Advancement track.

On the National BSA side, I do feel that they will need to provide specific literature or program helps. I believe years ago there were Venturing Monthly themes to concur with the Cub Scout and Boy Scout themes of the month. Do they still exists?

A recommended meeting plan (similar to a Den meeting plan or Troop meeting plan) would help officers. There is one example in the Venturing Leaders Guide, but in the Troop Program Resource Volumes, there are four recommended plans for the month. Similar Literature like a Venturing Program Resources would help. My crew has recreated the example from the Venturing Leaders Guide as a Venturing Meeting Plan (in Excel) as a tool to help our Crew officers plan.

We've already discussed Boy's Life in these forums. But some type of magazine to reinforce the theme of the month would certainly excite some youth to read about what they could be doing. Possibly an planned article rotation to highlight one of the five specialties every month. I eagerly read the online reports from the National Venturing Cabinet. Maybe Scouting Magazine and Boy's Life should hire our National Venturing Cabinet as field reports!!

I do believe that Venturing is an excellent program. But I foresee, a few changes coming. (not many, not sweeping, but just a few changes) Changes have always happened to Scouting over the years, in every program. Changes to the OA, to Webelos, to Tiger Cubs, and to Boy Scouting. Venturing will eventually change to anchor a little more deeper, get a better strong hold and carry on in the Spirit of Scouting.

I better stop for now... My brain is starting to hurt. lol

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

I'm sending this.. more to tell you about a new Troop in our neighborhood in the second paragraph......

Our Chapter Chief, Chapter Advisor, and Chapter Arrowmen have solicited (in person, by email and phone calls) their availability to conduct elections this year. Ordeal weekend is coming soon for us. But still, the Chapter election team has been invited to less than half of the eligible Troops.

On a good note, A brand new Troop just recently chartered (with a dozen 11 year old first year Scouts), have requested an OA elections. This Troop has only been around for two months with a couple of Webelos dens creating this new Troop. LOL They haven't even had a Court of Honor yet, nor completed Tenderfoot, but these boys are eager for the opportunity to hold OA elections!

The Chapter Chief had to tell them the additional eligibility requirements, and asked to be invited back in 2007. Hopefully they are just as eager next year!!

Crew21 Adv

EMB,

Highly agree with your definition.

I just didn't want to ramble on about size, shape and color; but prefered Kahits to consider it something similar to the patrol emblem.

r/

Crew21 Adv

CNY,

I understand and empathize. Sometime there are very deserving Scouts who serve their units, but somehow thru the akward elections (not remembering candidates names, new to the Troop, etc) or the lack of elections, they never have the opportunity to enter the OA.

Maybe someday the written policies will change or modify slightly.....

Crew21_Adv

CNY,

Greetings!

Regarding your second question... If a Venturing Crew has eligible members for OA, can it hold elections?

I think this too has been answered here in this forum as well. In the www.oa-bsa.org page. There is the manual Guide to Officer and Advisors.

It is possible for a male Venturer to be a First Class or above, and have 15 camping days within the past two years. But by virtue of being in that type of unit. The unit is not eligible to conduct elections.

The manual continues to say that the youth must be a registered member of a Troop or Team and either a Boy Scout or Varsity Scout.

It seems similar to a boy and family living in extremely rural conditions in an isolated small town. A Lone Scout is not eligible for the OA, because he is not a member of a Troop or Team.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

Kahits,

Greetings Again!

Regarding our crew patch here. We are planning to purchase from a known manufacturer of Scout patches (patrol, Camporee, special events...)

Our Crew is deciding between the final submissions for our own contest. They were given a month to hand draw. Then another month to create it in powerpoint. Most of the submissions have been similar to the the V hiking trail and mountain top. But with a few Scout appropriate changes and additions like color, trees, campsite, river, and etc.

Another manufacturer makes patrol patches in kakhi, classb.com. They do have a few unique patrol patches as well as custom patrol patches, and they could probably change the backing to forest green. It is worth a try.

Scouting Forever and Venture On!

Crew21 Adv

P.S. Don't tell to many Crews about our Sea Scout B/W numerals. We wanna be "That Neat Crew" for a while. lol