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DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
You forgot ability, ethnicity, faith and financial background. And that is the crux of my point. In listing some groups, you are showing bias against others. Ultimately, the badge is hypocritical. The "important" (sic) terms of "diversity", "equity", "inclusion", "bigotry" and "intersectionality" are all based on the controversy whirling around a current social agenda. "There are real problems with this agenda, however. The first is that it’s dangerous, in exactly the manner it is hypothetically designed to fight. The argument made by those who are truly prejudiced has always been that the differences between groups are so large that discrimination, isolation, segregation and even open conflict–including war and genocide–are necessary, for the safety of whatever group they are part of and are hypothetically protecting. Why is it any less risky for the argument to be made in the reverse manner? The claim that group-based differences are so important that they must take substantive priority during hiring and promotion merely risks validating the opposite claim." https://www.jordanbpeterson.com/blog-posts/lie-of-diversity/ This merit badge is a poison that will kill off a portion of what remains of the Boy Scouts of America. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
I'm not really sure you are being serious. If so, why bother with the MB? -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
And Duty to God is one of the Ideals of Scouting. Ideals – The ideals of Scouting are spelled out in the Scout Oath, the Scout Law, the Scout motto, and the Scout slogan. The Scout measures themselves against these ideals and continually tries to improve. The goals are high, and, as they reach for them, they have some control over what and who they become. BSA has not changed the ideals. This Merit Badge attempts to. And, since earning the MB is not required of Scouts anyway, unless they wish to attain Eagle Scout, I'm more interested in the rank requirements they are talking about, which haven't been released yet. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Yes, but there are no wrong answers to these questions. A Scout and her parents define her duty to God, and you cannot contradict her in any way. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Now there's an idea! How about a DE&I Award. Same requirements, and NOT REQUIRED for Eagle Scout. Also, no requirements in the early rank structure. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
No, we don't. Scouting simply recognizes awards sponsored by various faiths. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Thanks, @fred8033 the best line in the first paper is "But perhaps holding onto old-world beliefs of biological race is implicitly supporting the ideas that make possible the manifestations of “societal race” " The only way to stop the "manifestations of societal race" is to do away with the notion that such a thing exists at all. So the true definition of racism is "any belief that race exists." -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Asked and answered? -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
A suggested PR release from BSA: Scouts don't care about what you look like, what your parents did, or where you're from. We care about your CHARACTER. That's why Scouting is impressive and why Scouts in every country have been a force for good in the world for over 100 years, because we only care about what matters, and what matters is who you are on the inside. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
A to-the-point editorial today by Tucker Carlson on FoxNews. Find and read/view The military goes woke, and the consequences could be disastrous "Over time, identity politics will destroy our country. No nation can remain unified for long if people are encouraged to think of themselves as members of competing ethnic groups first and citizens second. Countries need a reason to hang together; unity doesn't happen by accident. The fixation on race that has seized our leadership class guarantees permanent disunity. It's terrifying if you think about it, but it could be much worse." "The military, we have all been told since childhood, doesn't care what you look like, what your parents did, or where you're from. They care about your performance. That's why the U.S. military is impressive and why they've been able to keep us from being invaded, because they only care about what matters, and what matters is protecting the United States. Not any more." -
@Greeneagle5, While the idea for the project itself is a good one, your friend may be cool on the idea for reasons already mentioned, and possibly because of the idea that "...this project could be continued in future years..." As adult leaders, it is inappropriate for us to commit the unit to any ongoing (or possibly perpetual) projects. Program planning is the purview of the Patrol Leaders Council. And it is for the PLC to decide whether to undertake an ongoing project. (That is most certainly off limits for an Eagle Scout candidate.) I even caution our PLC during annual planning that, if they venture down that road, a future PLC may decide to end a "commitment" they make. That is, a current PLC may not tie the hands of a future PLC. Over 15 years ago, a long gone PLC (or leader) signed us up for an adopt-a-highway. At the past seven PLC Annual Planning Conferences (we do planning semi-annually, actually) when they review our previous year and come up with a list of their desired activities, I always remind them that they are not committed to any specific activity (like a perceived "Troop tradition"). Me: "You are not obligated to do an Annual Troop Picnic, or the Annual Thanksgiving Turkey Cookout, or the two-times-a-year Adopt-a-Highway clean up. You can pick other activities if you want." PLC: "Really? We don't HAVE to do those??" Me: "Nope...don't HAVE to do them. Remember, the Committee can support almost ANYTHING you want to do, but you don't have time to do EVERYTHING you want to do." There usually follows some discussion of past instances of the "traditional" activities (nostalgia), followed with comparing priorities on their list of "want to's." PLC: "Well, we voted and decided we still want to do those things again this year." Me: "I support you 100%, and I'll recommend the Troop Committee to approve."
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DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
No way! I just found it today. Maybe my computer hacking skilz are getting better -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Lol...then someone is asleep at their "narrative steering wheel". It's been there since June. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
@MattR for gauging, that video was not removed by moderators at my.scouting.org https://discussions.scouting.org/t/diversity-and-inclusion-mb/172457/30 -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
@CynicalScouter, I begin to see a way through this... I sign up as a Merit Badge Counselor for this badge. I ask the parents to discuss all these topics and do any items with their Scout. When they tell me it is complete, I sign off the badge. I think I could do that ethically. A Scout is Trustworthy! -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
The video is a compilation of interviews and speeches by prominent actors, performers, social activists, etc., and relates the experiences of those people with regards to whether "systemic racism" (see the MB requirements) exists, whether they experienced instances of it, what some of the facts are that people use to justify stereotypes, and appropriate response to perceived wrongs. As @fred8033 said, the video itself is respectful of these people and their views. @BamBam gave a perfect negative example of what the MB addresses with "Tell what more your unit can do to ensure anyone can participate regardless of their ability, ethnicity, faith, financial background, gender Identity, race, or sexual orientation. " in making a judgement about the validity of someones views and experiences based on their perception of the commenters' "financial background". @BamBam is "hoist with his own petard" -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
@EagledadBarry, thank you. What we really need is a Merit Badge that teaches classical disciplines of Logic and Rhetoric versus emotion and persuasion. https://www.hillsdale.edu/hillsdale-blog/writers/logic-rhetoric-intellectual-self-defense/#:~:text=Logic and rhetoric are the,things differently%2C but not defenselessly. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Lol, I think you meant "right", brother -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
@MattR On that point, I agree. The video title does enter the realm of clickbait. But the title does not diminish the importance and perspective of the thoughts, experiences, facts presented by, and advice of any of those it portrays. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
@fred8033, to your point, and to move the discussion forward with you I respectfully ask you to search for a You Tube video on the interview with Mike Rowe (an Distinguished Eagle Scout, I'm sure you know) titled The Scouts' wounds are 'self-inflicted' To save those whose feelings would be hurt by the content of that video, and not to burden the thinly stretched moderator corps, I will not post the video here. It goes to the heart of the discussion here. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
"must pertain to the original post and respectfully move the discussion forward." How does this not pertain to DI&E MB requirements? Req 1. The video address facts and opinions of influential people who are members of a perceived disaffected group. Helps to understand what "equity" and "bigotry" are and are not. These people are perfect examples of "upstanders." They witness unjust accusations and asperisons being cast, and they address them publicly with facts and experience. Req 2. Self-evident Req 3. Replete with examples Req 6. Yup Req 8. Yup @MattR , I respectfully disagree with your assessment. Lol, @CynicalScouter I just thought, maybe I should be a Merit Badge Counselor for this! -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
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DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Because subversion and deceit go against the Scout Oath and Law, and my own personal code of ethics. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
I saw that, too. -
DRAFT: DE&I merit badge requirements
InquisitiveScouter replied to CynicalScouter's topic in Advancement Resources
Your statement could not be more prejudiced, bigoted, racist, and classist. And this merit badge will never help you see yourself in the mirror.