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4 minutes ago, eagle90 said:

I go to camp to get away from music, cell phones, the internet, etc.  Enjoy nature and solitude

Everyone has different reasons for going to camp. 

4 hours ago, Eagledad said:

I guess. It’s a new term to me.

I first heard it when Citizenship in Society came out in draft form. I don’t feel out of touch, but at 47, it didn’t make its way into my lexicon until recently. 
 

With many feeling they don’t want to get involved or that something is none of their business, it is a useful term to name what it means to stand for what is right. 

17 hours ago, SiouxRanger said:

I'm a lawyer. 50 pounds of rules. Fine.  I can do that. Three tons of rules. No problem.

But for BSA volunteers, we need to simplify it down to something memorable.  "Catchy."

As an engineer, I like to follow rules., but they need to be clear What drives me crazy is the FAQ becomes like an amendment to the rules. 

Two deep is a good example of catchy (well, it has become catchy, but it works). 

1 hour ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

If they say "yes", then why would a Merit Badge Counselor not fit the bill??

In both cases they are saying because the COR must approve of all adults on a campout. 

17 hours ago, InquisitiveScouter said:

They hint at it in the FAQ.

Yes, I saw the hint where it says to be registered in the position you are performing in the unit. So, if a Cubmaster comes on a troop campout, they can't be a Cubmaster, but man, it is very vague. 

Well, now I am crazy, I thought I saw it in the G2SS or FAQ. But, I thought it wasn't just rumored, but rolled out. Now, I don't know. 

10 hours ago, DannyG said:

at minimum.

They are now saying you need to be registered with the unit, at a minimum, not just registered. 

For me, I was a tiger in 1982. So this would have been 1983-1986. Crossed over in 1987. 

15 hours ago, niagarafalls said:

Did you wear it next to or instead of the World Crest?

No. Most cub scouts and even scouts didn’t wear the world crest as they didn’t participate in an international activity. 

On 2/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, Eagle94-A1 said:

REI will not partner with BSA because of our shooting sports program

Well, LL Bean supports shooting sports. 🙂

On 2/29/2024 at 10:17 PM, niagarafalls said:

I was a Cub in the early 90's and many in my Pack earned it and all wore it in the Jamboree position above the right pocket.

When I was a cub, the world crest was o my for international participation. We wore the world conservation award on that side, not the Jamboree side. 

This fall I’ll have my 3 years in for commissioner and will able to earn the commissioner key (one year short when I had to transition from SM to CC). So, I’ll be at 9 knots. An interesting thing is that all of mine have been earned vs. awarded / honored to received. I’ve only been active with the district for almost 3 years, so not clearly distinguished for things like the district award of merit. If I am ever so lucky to earn or be awarded another knot (say in 2 years I could earn the Doctorate of Commissioner Science), I’ll have to decide to go against the guide to awards and insignia and wear 10 knots. So far, I’m in 100% uniform compliance. 
 

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On 3/1/2024 at 10:05 AM, niagarafalls said:

PS there's a lot of debate over can you wear the World Conservation Award on your uniform other than in the temporary patch spot

Ummmm.... there shouldn't be. It has been a long time since one could wear it where the world crest is now. It was never in the Jamboree spot. The guide to advancement is pretty clear. It is a temporary insignia now. 

3 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

Were all of the rides, slides, walls, attractions ever fully opened?  Even in the big pre-covid ones in 2013 and 2017 weren't some areas not fully opened due to staffing challenges?

No, they weren’t. The bigger climbing area wasn’t open, some zip lines weren’t, and the tree top canopy tour were not opened. Very sad. The other Jamborees were great. This one? Meh!

5 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

With only 15K or so going to last Jamboree, the logistics of needing a larger than life site may be a requirement of the past. 

To sum up the last jamboree in a word? Sucked. I visited 3 days. I had been to 2 past jamborees, one as a youth and one as staff. My 2 daughters, niece, and BIL were with the contingent. It sucked. Many parts of the “Disneyland of Scouting” were just not operational. No arena shows. Sucked. 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:07 AM, InquisitiveScouter said:

If he passes the test, great... sign him off.  If he does not pass the test, he goes back to learning, until he feels he is ready again.  You can offer instruction, but not require it.

Agreed. I hope the other troop isn’t requiring him to pass the youth instructor sign off and the adult sign off.  

1 hour ago, DuctTape said:

What is not ok? It aapears the GTA is not being violated.

Is it a requirement to have a youth sign off before the adult does? If so, then you are clearly adding requirements. Cut and dry. Plain and simple. In this can, plain and added complexity. 

On 2/14/2024 at 5:26 PM, KublaiKen said:

It's how our PLC wants to do it.

That might be how they want it, but that isn’t ok. 

19 hours ago, KublaiKen said:

 

We have a First Class or above (hence often the PL or Instructor) sign off the left-hand column, and then an ASM the right-hand column. The Scouts don't sign off SMC or BOR, but the Scout seeking to advance does have to answer all the other things like Scout Spirit to the signing Scout's satisfaction.

 

I hope you are not having the scout do everything twice? That would not be good. 

On 11/26/2016 at 1:24 PM, Stosh said:

There's no correct way to fold a flag, just a traditional way. 

I learned that from a retired Command Sargent Major. I was telling him about how one year at camp an Air Force reservist folded it in squares. He said "meh, as long as it was done with respect, it would have been ok." I was shocked!

Yes, and at Roundtable, we try to include something similar related to the topics covered. 

On 2/8/2024 at 6:46 PM, Maboot38 said:

when that is done, they all show up as key three delegates in scout book

No, they don't. You are mistaken. The key 3 delegate position is to delegate, software wise, key 3 access. A member of the key does not get automatically, nor needs, the key 3 delegate role. 

1 hour ago, niagarafalls said:

In a world where so much instant gratification online with "Achievements" and such encouraging Scouts to do extra is likely a great way to keep them engaged and keep them in the program

Well, it is a belt loop vs a patch. Is it that big of a deal? 

13 hours ago, MisterH said:

new bead or arrowhead because of the sense of progress and accomplishment it gave me. Plenty of the other boys in pack felt the same way.

You can't charge $3.50 for those beads!

2 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

Yes, you could attain Eagle Scout rank and NEVER camp, NEVER build a fire, NEVER hike.

Thank you for the history lesson. I didn't believe you, so I looked it up. You were right. This is from the USScouts.org neat page on the changes over the years. From 1972-1979 Camping was not required. 7 years. A whole Scout generation. The strike outs didn't copy and paste. The reds are removal and greens additions. 

I earned my eagle in 1990 and Cooking wasn't required, but Safety was. 

1967: Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation,  Conservation of Natural Resources, Cooking, First Aid, Lifesaving, Nature, Personal Fitness, Safety, Soil and Water Conservation, Swimming.[11]

1972: Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the World, Communications, Conservation of Natural Resources, Cooking, Environmental Science, Emergency Preparedness OR Lifesaving, First Aid, Lifesaving, Nature, Personal Fitness, Personal Fitness OR Swimming OR Sports, Personal Management, Safety,.Swimming.[10]

1979:  Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the World, Communications, Emergency Preparedness OR Lifesaving, Environmental Science, First Aid, Personal Fitness OR Swimming OR Sports, Personal Management, Safety.[11]

History of Eagle Scout Required Merit Badges (usscouts.org)