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It is a complicated analysis that could show different stories depending on how one slices it. I think e do of 2022 compared to end of 2021 is an important measure as is April 23 compared to April 22. Comparing April 23 to end of year 22 is interesting, and important, but bakes in some ebs and flows. 

They both say instructors. I guess the first could be a lower case i instructor as in anyone instructing as long as they just completed the end user class. I read it as they both have to be certified instructors. 

41 minutes ago, Cburkhardt said:

While I do not have the specific numbers, I am generally aware through national contacts that Sea Scouts maintained membership and grew marginally during 2022. 

I didn’t record the numbers, but I recall the total being around 1500 at the lowest. 

4 hours ago, swilliams said:

But in order to get it to that person for their approval, the district is saying he has to use an Eagle Coach and have the Coach turn the proposal over to the district. 

Has he told the coach he isn’t interested in any coaching, but here is my proposal, please process? 

Good luck argument semantics. Seems pretty simple to me. 

5 minutes ago, swilliams said:

National says the scout can do it.

The scout is turning it in to the designated district person. Turn it in and move on. 
 

Or you can choose to make a big deal out of it. Your choice. 

6 minutes ago, swilliams said:

That requires us to go to our unit Eagle Advisor.  I know this may seem silly to you, but this is a major issue for both of us. 

I think you are going to have to get over it. Our district has a designated person to hand the project into. Just turn it in. Done. 

They aren’t saying you need to use a coach, just give the project proposal to a coach. It seems like they are the ones you turn the project proposal into. Keep it simple. 

Yeah, it is actually in the handbook requirement you need district or council approval before you start the project. What is the confusion? You don’t need to have the eagle coach help, it is just the process to get approval. Give it to the coach and get approval. 

It is very common to require pre approval of the project. 

7 hours ago, Cambridgeskip said:

collectively select their own scuccessors when they move on

I’m confused on this point. Patrol members do, or don’t, vote for their PLs?

10 hours ago, MattR said:

anything else that registration with the bsa would cover?

Many different background checks in the world. Also, the BSA will be able to track bad actors even if they change location. Not the best track record in the past, but this is the goal. 

6 hours ago, KublaiKen said:

Our council, at least, requires it be completed before you are allowed to register as an adult.

 National policy. 

You keep saying how and people tell you how and you don’t like it. 2 days after your question, the first clear how was given. It is so obvious, no one thinks it needs to be said, but tron did. 

Before it gets locked, I will again tell you how. If this doesn’t satisfy you, I don’t think anything will and I think there is some major communication issues. 

These are just examples. Like life and Scouts, it will be choose your own adventure. Lead by the SPL, mentored by the SM.

I don’t know how we could be clearer and at least 5 have given you good answers. One more try and I am done. 

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When - anytime a troop gathers up and patrol names are given. This is at the discretion of the SPL. 
 

How - until it becomes habit, the SPL says “PL’s, assemble in patrol lines. Patrol A PL, please confirm everyone is here and give your patrol yell.”

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That is the when and the how. No more and no less  

@Tron

”Basically anytime the patrol name is called out is when the patrol yell should be used.

For example: when the SPL calls on a PL he should also tack on the patrol name ; and then the patrol would yell whatever they're yell is. It would be an esprits de corps moment that also could just be fellowship/horsing around. Think a scenario like the following:

SPL: "PL John Smith from the Rocket Patrol is going to lead todays rank advancement and teach the square knot."
Rocket Patrol: "To the moon!"”

14 minutes ago, Calion said:

I’ve gotten one answer, and I suppose it’s hopeless to believe that any of these other folks will ever give me another one.

This is blatantly not true. Many have given you answers. Your response has been “but how?”  

We are chartered by the PTO with the principal as our XO. We can’t have religion be as big of a part of cubs as the mormans who influenced the advancement wanted. It is 100% done at home. Period. 

Ugh. Did you see there is a meeting / presentation on “Americanism”.
 

Ok boomer. I don’t know if I ever used that phrase. 

2 minutes ago, Calion said:

Where? None of those resources even mention giving the yell in opening ceremonies, unless I’m missing something.

I don’t believe you have looked at all 4. 

The patrol yell is covered with sufficient details in the Scout Handbook. It is also covered in the PL Handbook. It is also covered in the SPL Handbook. It is also covered in the Troop Leader Guidebook. 
 

Have you read those? Has your SPL?

1 hour ago, Calion said:

how they should be called for.

It has been said again and again and again. 
 

How ever the SPL wants. 

1 hour ago, Calion said:

Are you serious? At Wood Badge, the SPL stands in front of the formation and says,  “all patrols, when reporting to a station, the PL confirms everyone is there and has the patrol give the patrol yell”?

Yes. Ok? You still seem to be getting at something that you aren’t saying. I guess you don’t wish to share your alternative intent. 
 

Are you the SM? Your desire for chapter and verse on these items may never be quenched. Being a SM isn’t so exact. 

2 minutes ago, Calion said:

Cool. Excellent idea. Just how?

The SPL says “all patrols, when reporting to a station, the PL confirms everyone is there and has the patrol give the patrol yell”. 
 

Very simple. 
 

In scouts, and life, this is pretty far down on the list. 

2 minutes ago, Calion said:

And if no older Scouts know how to tie knots?

On 4/21/2023 at 6:56 PM, MattR said:

Just like any other skill, the SPL discusses the gap at a PLC. They then ask an older scout from a different troop to come in and instruct or they ask an adult volunteer to come in an instruct. 
 

This is true for all advancement. 

3 minutes ago, Calion said:

Okay, so are you saying that procedures for the SPL to call for patrol yells are in the handbook?

Dude. What are you getting at? Some of it may be. A few posts back someone gave you a ton of references. A SM can use these and work with the SPL. 
 

You seem to be getting at something none of us here are getting. 
 

Are you trying to find an indisputable reference to make the SPL comply?  I don’t know think you’ll find it. 
 

What are you really getting at? 

Just now, fred8033 said:

maybe it's only the scout shop employees.

Many of these are national employees. Ours are. I have heard some aren’t. I assume that is for low volume, or marginal operations national chooses not to staff. Then the council would be the reseller.