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For me, I was a tiger in 1982. So this would have been 1983-1986. Crossed over in 1987. 

15 hours ago, niagarafalls said:

Did you wear it next to or instead of the World Crest?

No. Most cub scouts and even scouts didn’t wear the world crest as they didn’t participate in an international activity. 

On 2/29/2024 at 5:23 PM, Eagle94-A1 said:

REI will not partner with BSA because of our shooting sports program

Well, LL Bean supports shooting sports. 🙂

On 2/29/2024 at 10:17 PM, niagarafalls said:

I was a Cub in the early 90's and many in my Pack earned it and all wore it in the Jamboree position above the right pocket.

When I was a cub, the world crest was o my for international participation. We wore the world conservation award on that side, not the Jamboree side. 

This fall I’ll have my 3 years in for commissioner and will able to earn the commissioner key (one year short when I had to transition from SM to CC). So, I’ll be at 9 knots. An interesting thing is that all of mine have been earned vs. awarded / honored to received. I’ve only been active with the district for almost 3 years, so not clearly distinguished for things like the district award of merit. If I am ever so lucky to earn or be awarded another knot (say in 2 years I could earn the Doctorate of Commissioner Science), I’ll have to decide to go against the guide to awards and insignia and wear 10 knots. So far, I’m in 100% uniform compliance. 
 

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On 3/1/2024 at 10:05 AM, niagarafalls said:

PS there's a lot of debate over can you wear the World Conservation Award on your uniform other than in the temporary patch spot

Ummmm.... there shouldn't be. It has been a long time since one could wear it where the world crest is now. It was never in the Jamboree spot. The guide to advancement is pretty clear. It is a temporary insignia now. 

3 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

Were all of the rides, slides, walls, attractions ever fully opened?  Even in the big pre-covid ones in 2013 and 2017 weren't some areas not fully opened due to staffing challenges?

No, they weren’t. The bigger climbing area wasn’t open, some zip lines weren’t, and the tree top canopy tour were not opened. Very sad. The other Jamborees were great. This one? Meh!

5 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

With only 15K or so going to last Jamboree, the logistics of needing a larger than life site may be a requirement of the past. 

To sum up the last jamboree in a word? Sucked. I visited 3 days. I had been to 2 past jamborees, one as a youth and one as staff. My 2 daughters, niece, and BIL were with the contingent. It sucked. Many parts of the “Disneyland of Scouting” were just not operational. No arena shows. Sucked. 

On 2/21/2024 at 10:07 AM, InquisitiveScouter said:

If he passes the test, great... sign him off.  If he does not pass the test, he goes back to learning, until he feels he is ready again.  You can offer instruction, but not require it.

Agreed. I hope the other troop isn’t requiring him to pass the youth instructor sign off and the adult sign off.  

1 hour ago, DuctTape said:

What is not ok? It aapears the GTA is not being violated.

Is it a requirement to have a youth sign off before the adult does? If so, then you are clearly adding requirements. Cut and dry. Plain and simple. In this can, plain and added complexity. 

On 2/14/2024 at 5:26 PM, KublaiKen said:

It's how our PLC wants to do it.

That might be how they want it, but that isn’t ok. 

19 hours ago, KublaiKen said:

 

We have a First Class or above (hence often the PL or Instructor) sign off the left-hand column, and then an ASM the right-hand column. The Scouts don't sign off SMC or BOR, but the Scout seeking to advance does have to answer all the other things like Scout Spirit to the signing Scout's satisfaction.

 

I hope you are not having the scout do everything twice? That would not be good. 

On 11/26/2016 at 1:24 PM, Stosh said:

There's no correct way to fold a flag, just a traditional way. 

I learned that from a retired Command Sargent Major. I was telling him about how one year at camp an Air Force reservist folded it in squares. He said "meh, as long as it was done with respect, it would have been ok." I was shocked!

Yes, and at Roundtable, we try to include something similar related to the topics covered. 

On 2/8/2024 at 6:46 PM, Maboot38 said:

when that is done, they all show up as key three delegates in scout book

No, they don't. You are mistaken. The key 3 delegate position is to delegate, software wise, key 3 access. A member of the key does not get automatically, nor needs, the key 3 delegate role. 

1 hour ago, niagarafalls said:

In a world where so much instant gratification online with "Achievements" and such encouraging Scouts to do extra is likely a great way to keep them engaged and keep them in the program

Well, it is a belt loop vs a patch. Is it that big of a deal? 

13 hours ago, MisterH said:

new bead or arrowhead because of the sense of progress and accomplishment it gave me. Plenty of the other boys in pack felt the same way.

You can't charge $3.50 for those beads!

2 hours ago, Jameson76 said:

Yes, you could attain Eagle Scout rank and NEVER camp, NEVER build a fire, NEVER hike.

Thank you for the history lesson. I didn't believe you, so I looked it up. You were right. This is from the USScouts.org neat page on the changes over the years. From 1972-1979 Camping was not required. 7 years. A whole Scout generation. The strike outs didn't copy and paste. The reds are removal and greens additions. 

I earned my eagle in 1990 and Cooking wasn't required, but Safety was. 

1967: Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation,  Conservation of Natural Resources, Cooking, First Aid, Lifesaving, Nature, Personal Fitness, Safety, Soil and Water Conservation, Swimming.[11]

1972: Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the World, Communications, Conservation of Natural Resources, Cooking, Environmental Science, Emergency Preparedness OR Lifesaving, First Aid, Lifesaving, Nature, Personal Fitness, Personal Fitness OR Swimming OR Sports, Personal Management, Safety,.Swimming.[10]

1979:  Camping, Citizenship in the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the World, Communications, Emergency Preparedness OR Lifesaving, Environmental Science, First Aid, Personal Fitness OR Swimming OR Sports, Personal Management, Safety.[11]

History of Eagle Scout Required Merit Badges (usscouts.org)

On 1/29/2024 at 3:43 PM, PACAN said:

Maybe one or more of the professionals can chime in on why in the h*** it takes 4 months to process a charter.    

This is 100% the staffing choices of your council. I can speak to our district’s posting since I could see it in commissioner’s tools. Our charters were submitted like many in early December. Our registrars hit them hard between Christmas and new years. Many were pre-posted. We had like 35 posted on January 3rd. Then another 15 by January 10th. The other 15 were slow since those units didn’t have their act together. 
 

I don’t know how long the CBC takes. If you send your adult app (photos) at night, the registrar will process it first thing the next morning. They hit the system late in the day and are about 90% in the system overnight. By the following day the show up in all systems. 

16 minutes ago, AwakeEnergyScouter said:

Why does council care what item is sold for fundraising?

They get a cut of the ones that they coordinate. 

What I am saying is they can forbid any fundraising they choose to. If they don’t want to approve any other fundraising besides popcorn for 6 months, they can do that. 

29 minutes ago, skeptic said:

They cannot do that, period. 

Not true. To do any fundraising, a unit needs an approved fundraising application. That is part of “following the national rules”. That application MUST be signed by the local council. Again, if you want to follow the rules. No application is needed for council fundraising. 

On 1/4/2024 at 8:53 AM, Tron said:

Doesn't that area have A LOT of camps?

HAD. Well, Bay-Lakes has 4 council camps still, but within the area, I bet if we went back about 8 years, there would be 8+ shuttered camps. One from Bay-Lakes (Twin Lakes). Without doing research, at least 2 others have been shuttered in the area - Napawon, Shin-Go-Beek and CFL are near. 

8 hours ago, dk516 said:

greatly reduce the administrative burden. I.e. why can I submit any Youth application electronically but if I want to do that for an adult, I still need to have a paper application, get it wet-signed by the COR only to upload it to the electronic membership application that is going to get signed by the COR AGAIN!?

Your assessment as a whole is correct, but your specific example is not a national issue. It is either council, or state, driven. The wet signature and double COR approval isn’t required by national. 

4 hours ago, Eagle1993 said:

In addition, the number of adults required to run a good pack is excessive (12 den leaders, Cub Master, ACM, CC, COR and a few other committee members).  If you have a pack of 80-90 kids this is achievable... If you have 10-20 impossible.

This is so very true. Your numbers are spot on and it was nearly impossible with a pack of 49 cubs. With at least having a treasurer and advancement coordinator, it is easily 20.