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  1. Go now. I just did the Centennial WB Pilot Course at Philmont this March. My classmates were from Cub, Scout, and District positions. The curriculum and program was the same for everyone. The first 1/2 day's lessons are presented in a Cub Scout theme, but the instruction applied to everyone. Once you get there, no one cares what your position is at home, or the number of square knots you do not posses. I'm a Cub Scouter and my experience at WB was positive and helpful. It allows me to be an informed and influential member of the committee. I was told the new curriculum shifts more of the instructional duties to the troop guide in the patrol setting, and the "game of life" is gone. The "management & Leadership" theory, while familiar, was also highly contextualized to scouting and working with youth. The best part of the experience is being able to casually discuss your unit's challenges and get sound advice back from your classmates. Show up well rested, bring enough clothes changes, and you'll be fine. No need for long meditations beforehand. New ideas will start clicking in your head once the presentations begin. We also had folks writing ticket items across multiple scouter disciplines: cubs & scouts, cubs & district. Hopefully the common sense leveraged at my pilot course will find it way to into the update courses in 2019. Fortunately, our course did not get all juvenile and fetishy about their patrol mascots...this to me is the scourge of some wood badge graduates: the scouters come back and talk more about their patrol identity than they do about their tickets and how these improved their units. Who the hell cares about what "animal" you were, after the course?
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    2 scouts, 2 scouters rescued Mt. Baker (WA)

    I agree that hunkering down was their best choice for extending their luck. Their second lucky break came when the weather cleared long enough to pluck them off, early the next day. Based on their found condition and required hospital stays, it would be a stretch to think they could have survived another day. One media outlet reported that the evening temperature was in the teens. To me, some of the clear lessons here center around understanding the difference between "institutional (scout trips)" and personal climbing, and the risk one assumes in each endeavor. I think there are plenty of good opportunities in the higher mountains for scouts to have adventures and learn, without their leadership having to "play their last hand", cross their fingers, and then hope the Almighty grants them a 30-minute-weather window for a Navy rescue helo . Prior to the break in the weather that morning, their choices were grim: continue freeze to death in the trench they dug on the summit, or die in a climbing fall due to poor visibility. As mention above, the irony of these situations is that we can often ID the root causes only after they happen. Real mastery of outdoor leadership is being able to identify these dangerous roots cause as they are compounding, steer a course to mitigate them, and then continue to make the outing fun and educational. I look forward to reading the incident review from National. The injured kids are from an affluent part of town, so they'll surely get the best medical care available. The troop has been around for more than fifty years, and is a good unit. Hopefully the lessons-learned will be broadly communicated, and the policy re-boot will be minimal. https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/boy-scout-remains-hospitalized-after-mount-baker-rescue/281-562085823
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    2 scouts, 2 scouters rescued Mt. Baker (WA)

    I believe this story is far from over. Rumor has it several in the party suffered frostbite. I was told the group had an "epic" on the same mountain, in previous years. The newspaper described it as a "hike". It is, actually, technical mountain travel where one ropes up to move more safely across snow covered crevasses in the glacier, as well as protecting climbers on steeper terrain. I've guided* on this mountain, professionally, twice. Summitted once, backed off once, near the top. It can be winter time on that mountain every day of the year, including June. On my last trip there we there we had just summitted the peak on the same route as the scouts, when the entire summit dome whited out. We turned around immediately and located our decent path before it was snowed in. No summit pictures, no celebratory hugs, just the get "F"-out-of-there, ASAP. Here's a few questions I'd be asking, as an investigator.: -- How many times had the trip leaders been on the mountain before? What was the weather like before? -- How much experience did they have climbing peaks this high, during this season, with groups this size (three rope teams of four)? -- What was the climbing plan? What was discussed as mission-abort indicators (i.e. weather events, fatigue, loss of visibility) for turning around early? The weather that day was crappy here in Seattle. We were doing our Pack's rank-up picnic at the same time, with frequent rain squalls, and wind a sea level. They were climbing the mountain from the side which typically gives one a view of incoming weather. Based on my personal knowledge of the mountain, I'd say this kind of trip is better suited for 16+ year-old's, with properly trained and experienced leaders. All to often, especially with inexperienced climbing leaders, it is easy to assume one's early successes in the mountains are due to personal competence, instead of, just, dumb luck. Add a little leadership machismo to this equation and your expedition has the potential to make the headlines, when conditions go south. This story makes me angry. I believe the facts of this story show that the group had no business being on the mountain that day. Scouts got hurt because of poor adult leadership and outdoor risk management. This near-tragedy was totally preventable, in my opinion. And, remember: "Plan you climb, climb your plan." "When you are on top of the mountain, you are only half way home." "Live to wimp again." * 18- 28 yr old students, on a 5-week wilderness mountaineering course. Glacier travel, crevasse rescue, personal energy mgt., ice axe techniques, are all instructed before "heading up the hill."
  4. Our Pack was selected to be the early adopter in our district of the Chief Seattle Council. Our only Den, a girls' Webelos Scout den, has a woman DL and a male ADL, who is also a parent, and Wood Badge grad. They have successfully completed their Webelos rank requirements in four months, and he council could not be happier.
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    End of Year w/out Rank complete

    On cross over night our Pack does simple AoL rank advancement recognition with the recipients, followed by whatever thank yous the parents offer the retiring AoL Den Leader, then we have the boys back up in front who are bridging over. This second group receives a Completion of Cub Scouts Certificate and then crosses the bridge to their new Scoutmaster who provides a new necker, handbook, and wisks them away on the troop's bus to their first meeting, a welcome reception. Nobody goes home empty handed.
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    Age to go to Cub Scout Resident Camp without parent

    The bed wetting challenge can be mitigated to some extent by having the youth keep a "pull-up" underwear in a ziplock bag in his sleeping bag, which he changes into at night, in the privacy of his sleeping bag. The following morning he changes out of the wet pull-up, again, in his sleeping bag, and places the wet item back into the ziplock bag. None of his pals will ever know. It can be disposed of discretely by an adult. This can be practiced at home beforehand. To keep things simple, our Pack expects a parent to accompany their child to resident camp, including Webelos.
  7. Is that the course which is suppose to be the follow-on to Wood Badge, but done in the backcountry?
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    Linked Troops - What are these?

    We've have 5th grade girls in our pack now. They will hang out a second year in cubs until they bridge over next. They are Webelos Scouts this year and will be AoL next year. Our council endorsed us (selected pack for the pilot program). I believe they felt it more important to build momentum than adhere to the original age limits
  9. I'm a third generation Eagle Scout (1977) , behind my father and his father. My son is a Webelos Scout presently and may choose to do the same. My dad and grandfather were in the NESA database but not myself until I submitted documentation. The photos is from 1949 Buffalo Area Council Court of Honor, Buffalo NY. It was noted in the newspaper article that accompanied this photo, that a second generation was very uncommon in he council, as well as being a 14 year old Eagle.....youngest on record in that council at that time
  10. In 1974 I do not recall any elections in our troop. In a troop of 30 boys, maybe one per year were tapped out at a camporee. If you did not attend the camporee, you missed your chance. The scoutmaster identified the candidates to the OA during the big campfire ceremony. Besides first class, one needed to be a PL for some time. At the time, maybe 10% of the unit was in OA, and none of the troop's goof-offs.
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    Scouting is doomed

    How is this different than any other part of life? Scouting is what you make of it. A Scout is Cheerful. A Scout is Brave.
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    When to wear uniform

    I believe he is registered as a committee member, and would like to be an ACM. He's not wearing an adult position insignia, he just kinda looks like an adult in uniform. I found his spoof knot ...more of a social statement item, an "inclusive scouting knot." I will ask him how all this silliness strengthens his application to be an ACM. Thanks for your help, everyone.
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    When to wear uniform

    He is wearing this spoof patch on his uniform, not the proper one posted by EmberMike. Sorry for the confusion
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    When to wear uniform

    There is no "trained" patch just "paper trained."
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    When to wear uniform

    I believe the issue is that he is appearing as an adult leader when he is not. Young cubs cannot tell difference between one adult from another, in uniform.