Eagle1993

This is where the bankruptcy can get very large & complex. I also think it could damage the whole idea of charter organizations. When they start seeing various clubs, churches, etc. pulled into the bankruptcy, expect many COs to question keeping Troops & Packs. BSA should be ready for another model, similar to GSUSA, where councils directly charter units. I also think it is a bit early for nearly every council to essentially guarentee they are not going to be impacted by this lawsuit. If a council has plaintiffs, is located in a state that has no limit on statue of limitation

Correctamundo. Do you think we can get out of this whole thing by transferring that "receivable" to the victim's fund? Good luck collecting on that. I also noted that they specifically noted that they did not include Oil & Gas Royalties or the Artwork - Original Rockwell paintings on their asset list. I wonder why they could do that.

They are not, New York State council assets alone are over $100M https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/investigations/2020/02/18/boy-scouts-bsa-chapter-11-bankruptcy-sexual-abuse-cases/1301187001/ National Assets: High Adventure Bases (including loan due from Summit) = $408M Cash (some restricted) = $186M General Investments & Order of Arrow = $200M Texas Building & National Supply = $7M Furniture & Equipment = $30M Receivables = $23.6M Pledge Receiveables = $66M Inventory = $68M (that is a lot of Scout shirts) Prepaid Cha

From what I have seen, executive compensation actually increases during bankruptcies. The reasoning is that to keep top talent during bankruptcy, you have to over pay.

They listed HA values here: https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/799102_20.pdf Northern Tier - $6.6M Sea Base $16.7M Philmont $40.1M The Summit high adventure facility is in a separate legal entity, Arrow WV. BSA has a note receivable due from Arrow. The note due from Summit is $345M So, total for HA bases = $408.4M out of total Assets of $1.01B

I don't think this is a good day. A good day would have been a settlement out of court. Significant resources, financial and personal, will be focused on this bankruptcy at National, Regional and Council level. Perhaps in 2+ years, after we emerge, it will be a good day. Thanks to a poster from reddit who reviewed this document. Those who think Councils are out of the woods should read below. (All comments below reposted from reddit) https://casedocs.omniagentsolutions.com/cmsvol2/pub_47373/799040_4.pdf Page 4 Page 6 Some local councils will be turni

Councils, especially those with land, will be sued over the next several years ... many already are subject of lawsuits and as National goes bankrupt they will be the next targeted entity.Their primary job will be protecting camp(s) that are critical to program success and I expect that means their legal fees will skyrocket ... leaving less paid roles. I believe National, supported by councils, should perform a national call for volunteers. Contact former scouts directly (especially those under 30) and former long term unit leader plus advertiser the need on Twitter, FB, YouTube and oth

Boys and Girls club receives significant federal funding (at one point $600M+ per year) and big grants from various corporations. They pay their CEO nearly $1M per year. https://www.forbes.com/companies/boys-girls-clubs-of-america/ They dominate inner city programs and I don’t see the BSA with the funding to compete. It’s sad as I do think the BSA has a great program. I’ve seen the Boys and Girls club camps in my area ... they are impressive and well funded when compared to BSA. I think we need new BSA national leaders who are able to mobilize youth, parents and organizatio

This may be a bit rough, but... Why are our key 3 all retirement age and UK’s head honchos look to be in the prime of their careers? Just one example... Check Twitter... Our new CSE is the only one that seems to have an account and he has 11 followers and one tweet in 2013 about a car accident. Bear Grylls ... very active on Twitter with 1.4 million followers Matt Hyde... 8,000 plus followers, active on Twitter Tim Kidd... 7,000 plus followers, active Twitter is just one way I would expect BSA leaders (as individuals) to connect with parents and youth today. Ins

Even in rich suburbs the fees are starting to get laughs. When my daughter joined a GSUSA Troop the parents were asking about fees. The GSUSA rep said they were not set yet as the Troop sets their own fee (I think GSUSA charges $25). One parent asked if total would be under $100. The GSUSA (and parents laughed) and said... “of course! we are not the Boy Scouts.” We haven’t paid much since (and no FOS begging) given cookie sales.

How do you handle a situation where a scout is a member of another Troop and reaches out to ask to attend your Troop meeting as they may like to switch? I’m definitely welcoming to the youth, but do you let the other SM know? My concern is that I continue to see Troops in my area collapse. Many have SMs who would like to step down (at least to ASM) but they cannot find parents willing to serve. We have scouts that would have attended several other Troops in the area, which is accelerating their demise. I would never push away a scout, but it would make the Troop he leaves even weaker

We just received our councils Cub Scout summer camp flyer (we sold off all Scout BSA camps so our council doesn’t have summer camps for them). I don’t believe our council (and perhaps others) understand how families look at camps today. Most families (90%+) in my area are either dual income. When summer comes along they look for week long camps where their kids can go to provide care while the parents go to work. GSUSA camps work well. There is bussing near by and they don’t require adults to attend (as they hire older girls as staff). If adults attend, they can get a discoun

My daughter is not selling Lemon UPs yet... just the standard faire. However, this is the last year we are selling Thanks a Lots. I will say selling GS cookies door to door is 100000000x more pleasurable than Boy Scout popcorn. People open the door before you even ring the bell. It was a cold day and snowing and we were invited into homes. The discussion was never if they were going to buy... just how much and what they think their doctor would allow. (Not kidding) BS popcorn... as my son and I would walk up, lights are turned off, doors are locked. When they make the mista

Read section 7.0.4.7 Limited Recourse for Unearned Merit Badges in Guide to Advancement for what official option(s) you have. Did the unit leader sign the blue card and assign the MBC? We publish clear policy to our scouts and parents (though this case sounds like it is not a parent): Parents can always be MBCs in group settings (like a MB clinic) Parents cannot be a MBC for Eagle required MBs (outside the MB clinic) Parents are discouraged from being a MBC for non requires MBs Parents can only be MBCs for a max of 3 MBs for their son/daughter.

Just saw a FB post by a fairly well connected volunteer on number of girls in BSA. Will be interesting to see total numbers including boys. Troops 31,041 girls in Scouts BSA 3,346 Girl Troops Average Troop is 9 girls Cub Scouts 15,375 Packs with at least 1 girl 8,513 Packs with 5 or more girls 129,830 girls in Cub scouts (2018 ended with 77,784) so a 67% increase Total number of girls hit 160,871. I agree I expect this number to increase year over year. I’m not convinced that it will outpace the loss of boys, even excluding LDS. In my

They even have FAQs about BSA bankruptcy. https://scoutbankruptcy.crewjanci.com/ Includes this gem: As lawyers prepare hundreds of new lawsuits, the pressure on the BSA’s finances is significant. Whether the impact is ultimately fatal for the organization is likely to depend on the ability of the BSA, its insurers, and victims (through their attorneys) to reach a reasonable compromise through the bankruptcy process . If Boy Scouts of America are unable to come to a reasonable arrangement, the organization could be forced to sell off assets, including camps and large areas of lan

I’m a bit surprised our new CEO hasn’t sent out any message to the scouts and volunteers yet. Does anyone know if he sent anything to councils? I’ve been through transitions of leadership many times before and in all cases the new leader would have sent something out by now. Not a major issue, just a bit odd.

We are mortgaging HA bases, numbers continuing to decline, fees are increasing and we are headed to bankruptcy. .... Other than that, how was the play, Mrs. Lincoln?

19 of them are lawyers

A good EBOR will bring up items in the letters without disclosing who wrote them. The scout already gets to select who provides the letters, the feedback from those letters should be unfiltered. I am aware of EBORs where letters were negative. The boards asked questions raised in those letters and the scouts responded well (essentially admitting past mistakes and that he has grown and matured). So, instead of whispers by some that a scout isn’t Eagle worthy, he had the chance to confront the negative feedback directly. While I agree with @qwazse that one should have the stones

I attempted to think of various ways this forum can change, but it is difficult to see a way unless Mr. Mosby changes how National listens to volunteers. I was/am 100% behind the various changes with respect to gays, transgender and girls; however, it was not handled well by National. I think what we need, to be effective in providing feedback, is more transparency. There is a ton of unit and district experience on this forum. When decisions are being made/debated without transparency, we are left guessing and providing opinions on partial info. So, if Mr. Mosby brings forth more tra

I expect his first job will be keeping BSA alive through bankruptcy. This will include saving our high adventure bases and major cost cutting. He should read Bullsh*t Jobs by David Graeber and Six Simple Rule by Yves Morieux. Both talk to how corporations (and private enterprise) create inefficient and ineffective solutions to solving problems. Centralize what makes sense for consistency or cost needs (IT, uniform, program requirements, marketing (some)). Distribute the rest back to councils, districts, units. Lay off most if not all assistant chief scout executives ... I see

LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/roger-mosby-a6300a61 He worked for Enron for 11 years... Hope he can guide us through the next few years. I expect it to be a bit bumpy.

I’m starting to hear rumors that there will be more changes at National after the year end and work will start transferring to councils. Not sure what work but should be interesting to see where this goes.

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/12/17/mormons-pulling-youths/ Interesting highlights below: "The reality there is we didn't really leave them; they kind of left us," high-ranking church leader M. Russell Ballard recently said about the split. His comment upset Boy Scout officials, Perry said, because the organization went to great lengths to ensure the faith still had robust religious liberty protections after the Scouts welcomed openly gay troop members and leaders — even allowing the church to craft the language. ..... As of 2013, there were more th